Jasonb13 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 9 hours ago, trickyrich said: Just looking at the instructions for the AMK version, you have the 4 huge R-33's under the fuselage then a choice of R-73's & 77's under the wings. I'd prob go 73's on the outer and 77's the inner. Thanks for your reply. It looks like the -31M was an advanced Prototype version, only 7 ever manufactured in the mid/late 80s, and production stopped with the breakup of the Soviet Union. It can take 6 R-37s under the fuselage. I'll have a look at the 77s and 73s on the pylons. This brings me to another question, the sensitivity to having the Red Stars on it. I have no other option with this aircraft, as I said it was made in the mid 80s, and only has the Soviet Union scheme, so the red stars are my only option. Is that going to cause any issue on here? I don't want to offend anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 8 hours ago, Jasonb13 said: Is that going to cause any issue on here? I don't want to offend anyone. I think that we're as a collective will be able to disconnect the markings from the nation and / or ideology. Personally I have built models of Luftwaffe and Condor Legion aircraft, aircraft based in our East Indies colonies, etcetera etcetera. That does not mean I subscribe in any way to the ideas behind the conflicts these aircraft were involved in. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Hook said: I think that we're as a collective will be able to disconnect the markings from the nation and / or ideology. Personally I have built models of Luftwaffe and Condor Legion aircraft, aircraft based in our East Indies colonies, etcetera etcetera. That does not mean I subscribe in any way to the ideas behind the conflicts these aircraft were involved in. Cheers, Andre Whilst you are correct with what you say there is a huge difference between the examples you use (and others) and how some of feel about putting red stars on models, and that difference is that those conflicts/attitudes are part of history whereas the red star brigade are still at it and with the same barbarity that they always seem to bring to a conflict. And that is why myself and others will not be putting those markings on our models for the foreseeable future. This a purely personal choice and I respect the rights and views of those who think differently and I would certainly not tell somebody they are wrong because of the choice they make, I am simply explaining why I, and others, feel the way I do. 🇺🇦 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 minute ago, modelling minion said: This a purely personal choice and I respect the rights and views of those who think differently and I would certainly not tell somebody they are wrong because of the choice they make, Could not agree more. I will enter an Ukrainian Foxbat too in this groupbuild myself, on general principle, but would not hold it against anyone if they were to enter a Soviet one. Cheers, Andre 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, Hook said: but would not hold it against anyone if they were to enter a Soviet one. Absolutely, we don't want to get into that kind of nonsense.👍 🇺🇦 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Got me thinking, personal position on this is USSR is fine to me as that's history though I'm making an exception with a SU-33 repaint as the naval air wing is not involved in the war as far as I'm aware and indeed the markings predate the 2014 invasion, but otherwise I'm also no interest in doing any Russia aircraft that have been involved in the conflict, checked my kit and it has markings dated 2012 so may well have flown combat ops so I will make a note to do the USSR option if I do enter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted September 1, 2023 Author Share Posted September 1, 2023 Ok seeing this has been brought up, as far as the insignias go, I/we will treat this like any other subject for any other country in any point in history. It is all about the model we are building and the joy that goes with this process (thou I will happily exclude all Kitty Hawk models from that statement!!!!), politics has no bearing with model building! I know some people now think of the Red Star as now being similar to some other not so nice symbols from history, again this has no meaning in model building. Some people will have definite thoughts or opinions on certain subjects, that is understandable and they are entitled to have them, and there are many places where they can discuss these thoughts freely, but please not in this STGB!!! This build is all about the technically wondrous beasts that were and still are the MiG-25 & MiG-31 so lets keep it all about that please......... and to anyone building a Kitty Hawk MiG-25....you have my deepest sympathy!!! 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Isn't the Kittyhawk MiG-25 outlawed by the Geneva Convention? Cheers, Andre 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonb13 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Thanks for your comments everyone, I appreciate the different points made. I too tend to view markings as historical accuracy rather than glorifying a particular regime, but I of course can understand it's a bit different when it's an ongoing event and not something 80 years ago. The way I see it, with my particular model, the mid 80s Soviet markings are literally my *only* option, so it's good to know that no-one will be offended by me doing it. Thanks... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted September 3, 2023 Author Share Posted September 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Jasonb13 said: The way I see it, with my particular model, the mid 80s Soviet markings are literally my *only* option, so it's good to know that no-one will be offended by me doing it. ..now if you had been silly enough to try and build a Kitty Hawk model.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonb13 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, trickyrich said: ..now if you had been silly enough to try and build a Kitty Hawk model.... Reading between the lines here, I'm getting some subtle hints about Kitty Hawk models! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Jasonb13 said: Reading between the lines here, I'm getting some subtle hints about Kitty Hawk models! We don't do subtle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planebuilder62 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Hi there Is it very difficult to make Belekos Mig 25P from an ICM 1/72 Mig 25PD? zregards Toby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 (edited) On 9/6/2023 at 9:56 PM, Planebuilder62 said: Is it very difficult to make Belekos Mig 25P from an ICM 1/72 Mig 25PD? That'd depend on how picky you are. The PD has a slightly stretched nose, an added IR sensor and some different panel lines around the nose; see here for some salient pointers. Later PD's had a bullet style parabrake fairing as opposed to the "boat tail" earlier style. HTH, Andre Edited September 11, 2023 by Hook 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 How could I miss this GB??? Ok, I missed all if them lately... But I want to participate anyways... Iraqi fighter Foxbat from the 1st Gulf War? I mean Desert Storm or Iran-Iraq war? Would be ICM I 1/48... 😀 Let's see how to start ASAP! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 A quick note for alll who are building an Iraqi aircraft. The wing insignia of the Iraqi aircraft, do not point straight forward but are canted about 30 degrees outwards. This comes from the "Iraqi Fighters" book by Tom Cooper. It applies to both upper and lower insignia. I hope that this is of some help to those who are about to soon apply decals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 small and cosy GB, but big Jets that need lots of time.... lets hope all for a last minute extension so that some of the advanced builds get a chance to enter the gallery! (mine amongst them...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 Ok everyone, or fearless lord and master has given us an early Xmas present.....and no it's not a lump of coal! We have graciously given us a 2 week extension for the build!! So it will now end on the 17th of December, so best get to it everyone, lets try and get double figures in the gallery.....in fact I'm about to run off and do some masking and painting.......though probably best i get out of my PJ's first! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 "And there was much rejoicing!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 that is great news! thanks! and off to R-40 missile painting! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helios16v Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Still not likely by the 17th...but it will help the chances at any rate. I took too long of a hiatus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted December 7, 2023 Author Share Posted December 7, 2023 don't worry I'll probably still be dealing by then........keep making plans to do decals, keep having to do other non-model stuff!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share Posted December 17, 2023 well everyone unfortunately the end is nigh, in a few short hours this build will be over. I think it has been a bit of a slog for some, I know it has been for me, too many other things happening! There have been some great builds and some that unfortunately won't make the cutoff. But please keep at them would be great to see them all finished. Thanks to everyone that joined in I hope you had fun. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 I didn’t really have fun given what happened to my build in its brief progress, the hasegawa mig25 is one of a number of projects on the shortlist for a second Christmas project so maybe i will have some fun with that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted December 23, 2023 Author Share Posted December 23, 2023 ok the poll is up (and still wanting for my coffee....SHMBO better get a move on!!!!!) and will run for 7 days and will close right on the last minute of this year. So please vote before you have too much ale and forget! If I don't get back to this thread before tomorrow then I wish one and all a very happy and safe Christmas ........and hope you all get lots of awesome models and not lumps of coal or a Kitty Hawk model for being naughty! 🤣 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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