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mirageiv

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Hi Terry, most Revell enamels I've found are fine but their matt enamel greys (I can't spray the water based acrylic versions with any success at all), like 79 blaugrau or 77 'Basaltgrau' (which I used in the mix) can do this with gloss clear. I've not used  MRP but from what I've been told they are super thin so you can repaint something many times before details start being degraded, hmm I'll think about it! :)

 

 

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that's a shame it didn't quite work.....I reckon you'd have had to go down to 90-95% thinner to paint to not loose any detail but still change the colour. Don't know if Revell can go that far, Tamiya can with the Yellowish Lid Lacquer Thinners (avoid the orange Lid stuff like the plague!!).

 

mmm it's too late now but Mr. Paint would have been perfect for this.....though you may have had to mix the colours, but they look to have most of them now. You really have to try this stuff, it's truly amazing, it's so thin but you can get solid colours and not loose details.

 

I think you saw my F-14D, it's all painted with Mr. Paint, the top section has at least 25 coats of paint from primer up (maybe 30 in spots including clear coats).

 

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Ok I just took this one, here maybe 20-25 coats in total. (oh and the wings just about to fall out as well!!!)

 

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It's hard to see in these photo's but there's no detail lost...or so very little. All the rivets as still visible and if you know the Tamiya F-14's they're very fine to start with.

 

That said she still looks great in the photo's and given that 99% of those viewing won't have calibrated monitors or be able to view the model in ultra high resolution, I think you may just have to accept where you're at. Stripping back is a huge decision, I know myself I can be super critical of my own builds, but sometimes you just have to let it go. BUT!!! If you do go that way I'd go for the Mr. Paint stuff, I know you won't regret it!!

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Nice post Rich :thumbsup2:

 

25 layers of paint and it still looks like a normal paint job with other paints (crisper even), really very impressive (the F-14D also!) In the not too distant future (maybe early next year) I'm hoping to have a new dedicated modelling area, well whole new set up (new AB, spray booth etc...) where I probs will go for a good chunk of MRP and retire a lot of my old paints. This will be my last model until then so I'm just kinda using what I have for now if that makes sense before going 'all in'. 

 

I can be supercritical of colours on my models, for me it is the most important part and gives 'the look' you think of when you first start your build so if I have to strip it to get there so be it, heck I've already removed most of the paint now so no biggie :) . BTW if you ever have to strip one again I recommend Mr.Color thinners or the Levelling thinners for this job, it doesn't harm the plastic or clear parts (they may need a gentle polish back up) and you can 'wipe' away the paint after brushing some thinner on, it seems a lot nicer to use than oven cleaner or whatever harsher stuff is out there. 

 

 

 

 

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I am really sorry to hear about the paint problems David, she was looking really good and to have to strip the paint off is a very hard decision and one I know you will not have made lightly. I'm sure that whichever paint you choose to replace it with will turn out brilliantly, as usual.

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Never tried MRP but judging by what I hear, and @trickyrich's statements above, I need to try it!

 

Terry

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Yeah, he's kinda evil like that.  Kinda like a pusher...but the products he's pushing happen to be legal.  "Here, just have a little taste.  You'll be back for more...trust me."  :lol:

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Pssst...... have I got a deal for you!!  :wicked:

 

On 6/13/2019 at 1:31 AM, Terry1954 said:

Never tried MRP but judging by what I hear, and @trickyrich's statements above, I need to try it!

 

Terry

you won't regret trying them, they are amazing. Just a little bit different to use, but if you've used Alclad paints or super thinned stuff then you'll have no trouble at all. Just try one colour first to see how you like it.....it'll be all over after that, you'll be hooked!

 

Gosh I do sound like a dealer! :D

 

On 6/13/2019 at 12:58 AM, mirageiv said:

Nice post Rich :thumbsup2:

 

25 layers of paint and it still looks like a normal paint job with other paints (crisper even), really very impressive (the F-14D also!) In the not too distant future (maybe early next year) I'm hoping to have a new dedicated modelling area, well whole new set up (new AB, spray booth etc...) where I probs will go for a good chunk of MRP and retire a lot of my old paints. This will be my last model until then so I'm just kinda using what I have for now if that makes sense before going 'all in'. 

 

I can be supercritical of colours on my models, for me it is the most important part and gives 'the look' you think of when you first start your build so if I have to strip it to get there so be it, heck I've already removed most of the paint now so no biggie :) . BTW if you ever have to strip one again I recommend Mr.Color thinners or the Levelling thinners for this job, it doesn't harm the plastic or clear parts (they may need a gentle polish back up) and you can 'wipe' away the paint after brushing some thinner on, it seems a lot nicer to use than oven cleaner or whatever harsher stuff is out there. 

 

 

 

 

I know exactly what you mean, if something bugs you you just can't leave it alone. 

 

I don't have any trouble at all in removing paint......even when I don't want to!  :whistle: :D

 

Looking forward to following your "correction" process.

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It doesn't look that bad to me. The real plane is quite dark anyway. If you used matt coat on these jets that will lighten it anyway. 

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Just caught with your build David. Sorry to see the issue with the darkening. Fair play to you for carrying on with it. If that was me it would probably have been sitting in the shelf of doom by now or in the bin.  

 

A second here for MRP paints although I've only had one go with them. The new Hataka orange line are also very nice too.

 

James

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It was a close call to shelve it for a few weeks James :) but I did that with my last one and two years later it was still there, not this time!

 

Quickly going over old ground to me the photo in the last post doesn't look so bad, this one is more like how dark it really got and why I bothered to strip it (it was darker still in real life), pretty much Extra Dark Sea Grey opposed to the lighter Basaltgrau. I took the camera mask off btw, really pleased how it looked behind the oval window. 

 

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Anyhow the model is now paint free,

 

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Unintentionally, I now get the fun of painting two models after only build one! 

 

I'm not sure I'll finish it in the deadline tbh, there are about two trillion Astra decals to apply and I have to repaint it yet, I'll give it a go however!

 

Thanks for looking,

 

David

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Thats a really nice removal job. What did you use?

 

Terry

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Thanks Terry, I used Mr.Color Lacquer thinners. It works very well for removing enamels and lacquer based acrylics like Tamiya, Mr.Hobby etc but importantly doesn't damage the plastic or clear parts. I apply a generous amount with a brush on selected areas, a wing for example, it soaks in, then reapply another layer and then the paint starts to wrinkle. With enamels after it begins to wrinkle you can then just 'pull off' the paint as a 'skin' with a brush, sort of like a layer of skin on top of cooled milk after it has been warmed. Any little bits still left are removed easily with a cotton bud soaked in the thinner and rubbed on the spot to take it off too, also this was done around the canopy frames to have control in preventing anything getting in and under the canopies. I did polish the canopies back up to get a proper shine but no crazing or clouding happens with the thinner. Some paints require heavier layers of neat thinner to get them to come off, the Colorcoats enamel for example on the tip tanks was a bit difficult to remove, very tough paint it seems, but every other type I've tried (Xtracolor, Humbrol, Revell, Tamiya, Mr.Hobby, Alclad IIRC) comes off pretty easily without making a huge mess. There probs are dedicated paint removers out there but this these thinners work just great in my experience. 

 

David

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gee those thinners did work a treat! Do you know if it affects any filler work?

 

I may get to try that method out soonish.  I have some Mr. Paint Thinners. I've managed to find some replacement decals for "Goldmember" (my 50th Anniv RNZAF TA-4K), so it'll strip off the failed paintwork and start again. The final clear coat failed and the paint and decals underneath went all funny and soft! Plus I was using my old airbrush setup for that build, the new one will work much better.

 

...correction, you meant Mr. Hobby, that stuff I've got eats paint...plastic....and just about anything else :D

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I only use superglue , Mr. surfacer and milliput as fillers where the thinner will remove the surfacer if you put a good amount on and let it soak into the paint. It probably will remove other fillers a bit like Tamiya etc..but I'm not sure, it doesn't completely remove them but for a super smooth surface you might need to re apply. I guess stripping a model is never fuss free and requires some correction but it gets the paint off using them :) What paint and clear coat did you use to for your TA-4K? I found going through the barrier of Aqua gloss tougher than normal on this build as I usually use Tamiya clear or Future and those have easily come off. 

 

Yes I think the correct title is confusingly 'Mr Hobby, Mr Color thinners 250ml', the non retarding version of the levelling thinner. I've used levelling thinner too which gives you a little more time to remove the paint as it keeps it wetter for longer naturally.

 

Meanwhile I've remasked and primed everything ready to start paint 2.0!

 

David

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I don't have any of that stuff, I've almost stripped my TA-4K, I find the odour free over cleaner from a aerosol can is awesome at removing paint mostly, has no affect at all on plastic which is great.

 

Can't remember the clear I used, I have a feeling it was the Tamiya stuff, that and the decals we're quite hard to remove.

 

Only on slight mishap!  :whistle: Was cleaning out the resin tanks in lacquer thinners and also had a jar of isopropyl next to it.......got distracted came back and dumped the wheel covers and slats...........in the wrong jar!!! I sort of saved them in time but it's not pretty!

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Great job on the paint removal David, a real shame that you had to do it but at least you have done it well. I actually like how she looks without the paint, you have some nicely pre-shaded panel lines and rivets!

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