bar side Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Trying to use the walk around on here & other sites to figure out the colour of the inside of some bits. Take the aux intakes on the fuselage sides - white or red in the recess and the inside of the door? I am guessing white in the pit but red inside the door. Same for the airbrake behind the main undercarriage. Now, the main wing colour for a grey later paint job. Should be lighter on the body and wing tip sections, and darker on the main section. But looking at some of Ian Black’s lovely colour shots it seems the main wing looks a bit darker, the leading edge slightly lighter and the sides of the body adjoining the wing also about wing colour while the main fuselage is a bit lighter. Thinking of priming in different shades and then doing a single top coat rather than doing different colours any advice appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEZ Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) Main upper fuselage, tail, stabilators and upper outer wing panels - Barley Grey Upper inner wing sections - Medium Sea Grey lower surfaces - Light Aircraft Grey Airbrake door - red Lower aux’ door - red Upper fuselage aux’ door recesses - red regards Andrew Edited March 24, 2019 by TEZ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, TEZ said: Main upper fuselage, tail, stabilators and upper outer wing panels - Barley Grey Upper inner wing sections - Medium Sea Grey lower surfaces - Light Aircraft Grey Airbrake door - red Lower aux’ door - red Upper fuselage aux’ door recesses - red regards Andrew Thanks Andrew - doors red & recesses white? Or both red on the upper aux doors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phone Phixer Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I worked on them for 3 years and never noticed any great difference in colour of the upper surfaces. Under all the muck and boot marks it was just grey! Certainly not the variation of MSG and barley grey. I think your idea of one colour (barley grey) with slight variation in shading would be spot on. The upper aux air doors would be red on the inside of the doors. The fuselage cavity went into the engine bay, so just a dark metallic colour or black would do, I think. At rest with power off they were only open the slightest bit anyway, not enough to really see into. The lower aux air doors were wide open when at rest, follow the same colouring. Airbrakes were red on the inner face of the airbrake, white in the wing recess. As a basic rule, it was the movable part that was painted red. Rob. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Phone Phixer said: I worked on them for 3 years and never noticed any great difference in colour of the upper surfaces. Under all the muck and boot marks it was just grey! Certainly not the variation of MSG and barley grey. I think your idea of one colour (barley grey) with slight variation in shading would be spot on. The upper aux air doors would be red on the inside of the doors. The fuselage cavity went into the engine bay, so just a dark metallic colour or black would do, I think. At rest with power off they were only open the slightest bit anyway, not enough to really see into. The lower aux air doors were wide open when at rest, follow the same colouring. Airbrakes were red on the inner face of the airbrake, white in the wing recess. As a basic rule, it was the movable part that was painted red. Rob. I've always "known' the wings were two tone but after your post I went on Google images to find a photograph showing it and failed. There seems to be a general lack of top-down photos of grey RAF Phantoms but from what's left one would assume the wings and fuselage were all one colour. I did find this: http://s4.photobucket.com/user/Shefftim/media/f4s.jpg.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEZ Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 The edging of upper aux’ recess was usually painted red, or muted pink (as used in the roundels/fin flash) in the final years. The doors were painted red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEZ Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) Two FGR.2s trialled a one gray scheme (Light Aircraft Gray), it wasn’t effective and led to the introduction of a three grey scheme. If you’re wanting to do a well used aircraft the greys will merge under all the weathering, natural and manmade. Regards Andrew Edited March 24, 2019 by TEZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Phone Phixer said: I think your idea of one colour (barley grey) with slight variation in shading would be spot on. Very much in agreement Rob. IMHO, the subtleties of colour differences on these sorts of aircraft, certainly in this scale, are often such that very slight tonal variations work extremely well. When I colour match any colour, I might start with the "official" FS or BS references, see what paint manufacturers offer and then tone down anyway to suit my eye. The adage of if it looks right is a good one to follow! Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 This is the official word on the subject, John 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: I've always "known' the wings were two tone but after your post I went on Google images to find a photograph showing it and failed. That's the whole point of countershading - the area's that catch more natural light are slightly darker, giving the impression of an idential allover shade from a distance. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29Triplex Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) Hi Barside, I concur with all Phone Phixer’s comments above. I was on 29(F) and 64(R)(228 OCU), and I also never noticed any great difference in the colour of the upper surfaces. Again, your idea of one colour with slight variations would be spot on. I attach a link to show the best shot of one of our old Kites from above. I hope this helps! http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2015/09/f-4m-xv424.html The dihedral of the starboard outer wing catches the light and gives the appearance of a much lighter colour - However, the port outer wing is exactly the same colour - but shows no difference in shade to the adjacent inner wing. I look forward to viewing your finished aircraft. Edited March 24, 2019 by 29Triplex 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 Cheers guys. Thanks for all of the advice. Set my mind at rest as I am about ready to go for first primer coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 9 hours ago, canberra kid said: This is the official word on the subject, You're a spoilsport, John; ruining good supposition and first hand observation with actual facts! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dave Swindell said: You're a spoilsport, John; ruining good supposition and first hand observation with actual facts! Yes sorry Dave, some times I just can't help myself John 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 22 minutes ago, canberra kid said: Very grubby! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29Triplex Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) Julien, We hadn't got time to keep 'em clean - because we were too busy being Mean ! With XXX being the 'Spearhead of NATO' ! (Bionic Budgie) Only RAF Phantom Phixers (of the early '80's era)will understand/appreciate this 😁 Oh, those were the Good Old Days ! 😎. Mercifully, RAF Hendon can give her the love and attention she (XV424) deserves! Edited March 24, 2019 by 29Triplex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 hours ago, canberra kid said: FGR2 with no tail top antenna or side window periscope? Interesting. Twin stick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, bar side said: FGR2 with no tail top antenna or side window periscope? Interesting. Twin stick? Merely the original configuration , they were all like that when delivered in green/grey camouflage and some survived into the grey before being modified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Des said: Merely the original configuration , they were all like that when delivered in green/grey camouflage and some survived into the grey before being modified. That interesting. I know the original fit was about in grey green, but I had thought they had all been converted by the time they went all over grey. Learn something new every day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phone Phixer Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Julien said: Very grubby! Yes. when I said muck and boot marks, I wasn't thinking THAT grubby!! 😂 Mind you. I was on 19(F) Sqn and we had one jet that went for the 100FI wing butt strap mod by BAe. They rejected it cos it leaked too much. Now that was impressive for a Phantom!!!!!!! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 If I weathered and grubbied one like the photo and entered it at a contest, nobody would believe me unless I provided a photo! How the heck would you duplicate that appearance in 1/72? Thanks for the photo, John! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Throw some smudge on it and let it sit in the sun for a day or two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) On 3/24/2019 at 6:58 PM, canberra kid said: ...against that surface you can see why Hemp caught on for the heavies! Lack of periscope doesn't surprise me, but lack of fin mounted RWR and ILS aerials does for that time period. Also worth noting in that shot is that I appears to be carrying ex Navy underwing tanks. Edited March 26, 2019 by 71chally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobsyouruncle Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Here are some shots of XV424 at Hendon (under artificial lighting) and XV474 at Duxford (Daylight coming through windows). Interesting to compare the Grey on the Hendon Phantom inboard wing to the Greys on the missile pylon and rails and external tank and with the fuselage. I've always thought that there didn't look to be much difference to my eyes, looking at the aircraft overall from a way off, especially the later 74 Sqn machines (were they painted differently?). Wouldn't it be likely that the sun fades the paint after time, especially on the upper surfaces? Included this one for the lower aux air doors (red) HTH Bob. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now