oggy4624 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Good old bubba boeing - KC46- disaster, 737max - falling out of the sky and how late was the turkish wedgie? The word is that the USMC are about to specify KC330 because they need something that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickers McFunbus Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 On 3/29/2019 at 4:34 AM, oggy4624 said: Good old bubba boeing - KC46- disaster, 737max - falling out of the sky and how late was the turkish wedgie? The word is that the USMC are about to specify KC330 because they need something that works. We all know the Americans wanted KC-30 (KC-45 back then) in the first place. I wouldn’t want to use the Turkish Wedgetail as a comparison as there are lots of other issues in play. 737Max comparison is irrelevant, unless we used it as leverage to get a discount and give Boeing a “good news” story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewolf Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 The Wedgetail is maturing nicely and the only reason ours would be delayed is paying the Bill........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11bravo Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 On 3/29/2019 at 12:34 AM, oggy4624 said: The word is that the USMC are about to specify KC330 because they need something that works. LOL... never, ever going to happen. Whoever provided that "word" to you was full of BS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLC1966 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 4:50 PM, junglierating said: Agree Still when all else fails we can rely on crowsnest 😂😂😂when it eventually turns up....and that is a snakes wedding from what I have gleaned Snakes Wedding - Bagging that one for future use. !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent K Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) Think I saw some photos of a test Merlín flying with the “bag” installed recently. Edited April 6, 2019 by Agent K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XV107 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/6/2019 at 5:57 PM, Agent K said: Think I saw some photos of a test Merlín flying with the “bag” installed recently. Credit to whomever UK Defence Journal credited on the page from which I've borrowed this. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 There were some pics on the EH101 Facebook group of the first flight, complete with nose probe. ZH831. Photo: Michael Coombes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydhuey Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Good news for Australia, they own half the E-7 as it was build to Australian req and Australia paid the development cost (didn't that make the news here for years!) they are now getting a return , Turkey, Korea and now the UK, goes some way to recouping the Billions spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) On 4/8/2019 at 12:45 AM, Dave Fleming said: There were some pics on the EH101 Facebook group of the first flight, complete with nose probe. ZH831. Photo: Michael Coombes Interesting. Get a lot of Merlins flying over me in various forms and colours (some in primer). Haven't spotted one of these yet though. The nose probe is new to me. Will the Navy be allowed to refuel its own aircraft or will that be the preserve of Air Tanker Consortium (or whatever they're called)? Edited June 3, 2019 by Meatbox8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, Meatbox8 said: Interesting. Get a lot of Merlins flying over me in various forms and colours (some in primer). Haven't spotted one of these yet though. The nose probe is new to me. Will the Navy be allowed to refuel its own aircraft or will that be the preserve of Air Tanker Consortium (or whatever they're called)? It's an instrument probe for the test flights. (The Merlin IFR proble location more to the starboard side) - the HC3/4 always had the capability to carry the probe, but it was never used. The first HC4 rebuild was fitted with one at roll out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Meatbox8 said: Will the Navy be allowed to refuel its own aircraft or will that be the preserve of Air Tanker Consortium (or whatever they're called)? Read quite some time ago that the terms of the Tanker Lease prevent the RAF/RN using non-contracted aircraft as AAR donors , might have been a possibility with the A400 apparently but the UK has ruled that out for their ones . . . . . was a while back so maybe that has changed although imagine if it has the government will have paid heavily to change the contract. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 On 4/8/2019 at 12:45 AM, Dave Fleming said: There were some pics on the EH101 Facebook group of the first flight, complete with nose probe. ZH831. Photo: Michael Coombes Not a lot of radar on it though....still progress. Also IFR not cleared for use iaw the RTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11bravo Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 On 6/3/2019 at 9:20 AM, Des said: Read quite some time ago that the terms of the Tanker Lease prevent the RAF/RN using non-contracted aircraft as AAR donors , might have been a possibility with the A400 apparently but the UK has ruled that out for their ones . . . . . was a while back so maybe that has changed although imagine if it has the government will have paid heavily to change the contract. I don't think an A330 could refuel a helo. Too big of a difference in speeds. It would have to be A400 (if they ever get their AAR issues resolved) or a C-130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 On 6/3/2019 at 2:20 PM, Des said: Read quite some time ago that the terms of the Tanker Lease prevent the RAF/RN using non-contracted aircraft as AAR donors , might have been a possibility with the A400 apparently but the UK has ruled that out for their ones . . . . . was a while back so maybe that has changed although imagine if it has the government will have paid heavily to change the contract. IIRC the RAF cancelled their last two Atlases as they were to be fitted out to KC standard. Trevor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 21 hours ago, Max Headroom said: IIRC the RAF cancelled their last two Atlases as they were to be fitted out to KC standard. Trevor Quite correct, though it was the last three aircraft. Original requirement was for 25, but only 22 being delivered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 55 minutes ago, Truro Model Builder said: Quite correct, though it was the last three aircraft. Original requirement was for 25, but only 22 being delivered. Really? Four foot snakes wonder what the bigger picture was for that decision 😬 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 2 hours ago, junglierating said: Really? Four foot snakes wonder what the bigger picture was for that decision 😬 Officially, the reason was cost escalation. Airbus kept endlessly ratcheting up the price to get the thing to work at all, MoD got fed up with this, declined to cough up more readies and instead reduced the order size to fit the allocated funding. At least that was the story for public consumption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 It wasn't the only time the AirTanker agreement threw a spanner in the works. About three or four years ago Flight International reported on a proposal to modify a pair of BAe 146s with a sea surveillance radar and a single refuelling hose to be based in the Falklands. This would allow the Hercules and Voyager detached there to come back to the UK and carry out their primary duties. The RAF were quite interested in the proposal, as I recall, until that particular clause was pointed out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 On 6/3/2019 at 8:20 AM, Des said: Read quite some time ago that the terms of the Tanker Lease prevent the RAF/RN using non-contracted aircraft as AAR donors , might have been a possibility with the A400 apparently but the UK has ruled that out for their ones . . . . . was a while back so maybe that has changed although imagine if it has the government will have paid heavily to change the contract. That strikes me as a terrible thing to have agreed to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 43 minutes ago, Procopius said: That strikes me as a terrible thing to have agreed to. That could quite easily be taken as the mission statement for British defence procurement over the past few decades. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickers McFunbus Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Truro Model Builder said: It wasn't the only time the AirTanker agreement threw a spanner in the works. About three or four years ago Flight International reported on a proposal to modify a pair of BAe 146s with a sea surveillance radar and a single refuelling hose to be based in the Falklands. This would allow the Hercules and Voyager detached there to come back to the UK and carry out their primary duties. The RAF were quite interested in the proposal, as I recall, until that particular clause was pointed out. I’m not entirely sure how much truth there was in that rumour. With a little knowledge of “how stuff works” down south in the FI, I’m not sure how suitable a 146 based airframe would be for any of the roles. The RAF has been well aware of the clause from the outset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Does sound a little like one of the many schemes suggested for redundant 146s as BAE took them back from lease. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/uk-says-no-thanks-to-bae-146-tanker-391589/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickers McFunbus Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 (edited) On 6/11/2019 at 10:59 AM, Dave Fleming said: Does sound a little like one of the many schemes suggested for redundant 146s as BAE took them back from lease. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/uk-says-no-thanks-to-bae-146-tanker-391589/ It might have been, but the reality is that much as the Voyager might seem overkill for day to day life, it offers versatility - which is sometimes needed - that a smaller type would struggle with on the Islands. You probably lose all utility of the 146 as you’d in all likelihood need to fit extra tanks in the fuselage as it has a fairly limited fuel capacity too. As for the “exclusivity clause”, which is often commented on, it’s one of those things. It loses a bit of flexibility, but ultimately the MoD has only operated large strategic tankers since the mid 90s anyway, and people forget the conversion, training and financial burden of introducing another type (with limited utility). Edited June 16, 2019 by Vickers McFunbus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Vickers McFunbus said: As for the “exclusivity clause”, which is often commented on, it’s one of those things. It loses a bit of flexibility, but ultimately the MoD has only operated large strategic tankers since the mid 90s anyway, and people forget the conversion, training and financial burden of introducing another type (with limited utility). And yet every other air force that operates such aircraft is willing to shoulder the burden. Strange, that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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