fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Another downloadable PDF here: https://docplayer.org/58432919-Die-einmotorige-junkers-ju-52.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Lovely subject. Much more interesting than a regular JU52. On the decal front I've had very good results printing my own with This it's a laser printable clear film. I've used it for the zig zag lines and the gauntlet on the tail. You do need access to a colour laser printer but it was pretty easy to use and while thin on application pretty easy to use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 3/20/2019 at 6:50 PM, Tweener said: I myself was always curious as to why a twin engine configuration wasn't tried before 3 engines were decided on. In any case, I too am working on a 52 under a different name - C-79. Right now it's backlogged while I search for an RLM 02 that can actually be brushed. My guess is that the nose was already set up for an engine, so why not? Three was also pretty "standard" (or common) in those days, so maybe not as peculiar as we now perceive it. A bold conversion, for sure! It'll be fun to follow along, and I think I'm safe from trying it in 1/48 😉 I might have to dig my Ju out and have a gander at the sprues, though- not with the idea of converting, just admiring. bob p.s. My dream is to do one of the purple "Milka" ones, and I've got the same decal problem. I just love the thought of plopping that down on a contest table! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_t Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 Wow this is a first for me... two pages into a thread and I haven't even started yet! No pressure then... Thanks to @rob Lyttle , @Orso (again!), @fightersweep , @Moa , @Marklo and @gingerbob for your contributions, very much appreciated! I note with interest that Hannants have the 'Milka' decals in stock at the moment, albeit in 1:72. Why they are classified as 'Military' is something of a mystery to me, unless this was the Fuhrer's secret weapon - inflicting massive amounts of Swiss chocolate on his enemies in the hope that they would all keel over with obesity ! I will start soon, I promise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, clive_t said: inflicting massive amounts of Swiss chocolate on his enemies in the hope that they would all keel over with obesity ! Oh, but remember that famous mint chocolate: "It's only a tiny little thin one", after which Mr. Creosote explodes! Run for cover! Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busnproplinerfan Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I want to build one of these to eventually. I've snuck inside 'ARM when I volunteered at the museum. The cockpit is quite bare. I don't know if they were going to backdate it or what. It's got some green inside and whatever new parts were put on, as in the side openings on the fuselage are bare aluminum on the inside. This replica has no roof hatch, I have seen a drawing of it with the roof panel off. It was someplace over the wing. From what I heard from the people who where around at the time of the conversion, they couldn't get the plane certified for flight after the conversion. Don't know why. I did hear a story that when the props were carved someplace out west, the guys in the p/up stayed overnight in a town for sleep and payed some drunk guy to make sure no one stole the props. People like wooden props for decoration and finding a set in a truck overnight is always the best price. The float on display with ARM is the actual float from the original. The museum is closed currently. They had high hopes of a new building being built and for some reason are short on money even with a lot of corporate backing. The collection is scattered around, don't know where ARM is exactly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 8 hours ago, clive_t said: No pressure then... 😙😚☺️🙂☺️😚😐😑😶😶 😒🙂😒😯😮🤗😯😚🤗🤗 🙁😶😲😇😶🙁😇😦🙄😴 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_t Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 9 hours ago, rob Lyttle said: 😙😚☺️🙂☺️😚😐😑😶😶 😒🙂😒😯😮🤗😯😚🤗🤗 🙁😶😲😇😶🙁😇😦🙄😴 That's easy for you to say! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_t Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 OK I guess technically I am planting my spade in the ground here having cut a fuselage half off its sprue, but I am not massively confident... This evening I took one of the diagrams of the aircraft, and scaled it to 1:72 of its official length (18.5m) - and tried to overlay the fuselage half on top of it to see how close a fit it was. Answer: not very! I think my modeller's licence is up for renewal. Still, never mind eh! Tally Ho, Yellow! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orso Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 It's an easy build. Cut off the engines in the wings. Fill the holes and replace the missing corrugation. Move the cargo door to the left side and the rear door to the right. Remove the window panels and make new corrugated ones with hatches in them. Add the cargo hatch in the roof. Build a new fin. Add corrugation all the way down to the wings on the fuselage. Build a new nose and add new propellers. Build a new canopy. Not much to it really 🙂 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 9 hours ago, clive_t said: Answer: not very! A bit of work then and our @Orso makes it sound so easy. But, if it's the subject you want and this is the only option.... Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 9 hours ago, Orso said: It's an easy build. Cut off the engines in the wings. Fill the holes and replace the missing corrugation. Move the cargo door to the left side and the rear door to the right. Remove the window panels and make new corrugated ones with hatches in them. Add the cargo hatch in the roof. Build a new fin. Add corrugation all the way down to the wings on the fuselage. Build a new nose and add new propellers. Build a new canopy. Not much to it really 🙂 You also need to swing the wings forward. When the 52 was enlarged and the wing engines were added the wings were swept back a few degrees to regain the CoG. If you look you'll notice that the wing engines angle outwards because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 The Fuselage doesn't look too bad. A new fin and some nose surgery. The corrugations are what would make me extremely nervous, which is why I have a Junkers D1 sitting in my stash for so long even though I love the type and why my Junkers J1 has never gotten off the ground ( so to speak) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orso Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Black Knight said: You also need to swing the wings forward. When the 52 was enlarged and the wing engines were added the wings were swept back a few degrees to regain the CoG. If you look you'll notice that the wing engines angle outwards because of this. The drawing in the magazine Junkers-Nachrichten No 3 1931 matches he angles on the Italeri kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Holden Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Don't think there was a change in sweepback (that WAS done on the single-engined W34). The inclined outboard engines were to reduce the asymmetric thrust condition in case of an outboard engine failure and to give greater rudder control as still in the propwash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busnproplinerfan Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Roger Holden said: Don't think there was a change in sweepback (that WAS done on the single-engined W34). The inclined outboard engines were to reduce the asymmetric thrust condition in case of an outboard engine failure and to give greater rudder control as still in the propwash. That's why the outer engines were pointing out? Always wondered that. I just know that with ARM, both pilots had to stand on the rudder during take off to counter the torque. During winter, one would also be scrapping the others windshield of ice on take offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orso Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 ABA of Sweden didn't like this and ordered planes with the engines mounted straight. I've read that when ABA were down at Junkers discussing this people from South African were there and ordered planes with that configuration as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_t Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) Hi all, thanks again for your interest and inputs they are all much appreciated. No chance of looking at this yesterday, and only a brief window for me now until Monday - but I did the same thing with the wing to see how it compared. Answer: very nicely thank you! I'll take that! Edited to add: With apologies and acknowledgements to the originator of the drawing, Mr Helmut Ott Edited March 29, 2019 by clive_t acknowledgement of drawing originator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I have a simple trick to do corrugated surfaces, Cover some area of model with silicon (for example part of wing nearby the pleace when you will cut out side engine fairing) then after few days you cen remove silicon form and apply there a thin (1 mm or less) of epoxy glue. After fixing of glue you have a copy of surface, which you can easily cut out and glue in place of removed engine. I made using this technique modification of W 34 to lower fuselage K43 with windows in other positions and modified G24 from Revell to G24he - with new corrugated fin The adventage of the method is that you have exactly the same kind of surface as on rest of model Regards J-W 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_t Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 51 minutes ago, JWM said: I have a simple trick to do corrugated surfaces, Cover some area of model with silicon (for example part of wing nearby the pleace when you will cut out side engine fairing) then after few days you cen remove silicon form and apply there a thin (1 mm or less) of epoxy glue. After fixing of glue you have a copy of surface, which you can easily cut out and glue in place of removed engine. Thanks J-W, I will give that idea some further thought! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_t Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 I thought I'd have a go at this foiling lark this evening... I chose a small piece that had corrugations on it - the starboard elevator: I cut off a short length of aluminium tape, and having carefully removed the backing sheet, wrapped it entirely around the piece. I have no idea at this stage if this is the correct way of doing it, but after some minutes of rubbing a blending stump along the corrugations I started to see the definition coming through. I then went over those corrugations across half the width of the piece with a blunted cocktail stick. Hopefully you can see the difference here: Aside from the practicalities of cutting the foil to shape, which I have yet to try, I am quietly pleased with how that looks! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busnproplinerfan Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 4 hours ago, JWM said: I have a simple trick to do corrugated surfaces, Cover some area of model with silicon (for example part of wing nearby the pleace when you will cut out side engine fairing) then after few days you cen remove silicon form and apply there a thin (1 mm or less) of epoxy glue. After fixing of glue you have a copy of surface, which you can easily cut out and glue in place of removed engine. I made using this technique modification of W 34 to lower fuselage K43 with windows in other positions and modified G24 from Revell to G24he - with new corrugated fin The adventage of the method is that you have exactly the same kind of surface as on rest of model Regards J-W What kind of silicone? the paintable bathtub type? I guess you'd have to wash the area real good after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturmovik Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 4 hours ago, JWM said: Is this a Greek or Argentinian plane? The cocades are virtually indistinguishable from each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjaweijfopi4j48 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 If it eats empanadas and drinks yerba mate like me, then it is Argentinian 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturmovik Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Moa said: If it eats empanadas and drinks yerba mate like me, then it is Argentinian And plays Truco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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