JohnT Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 If true it seems Boeing have not lost their bad habits of trying to manipulate tests and rules to obtain the wished for outcome regardless of whether it’s good practice The accusation is Boeing were coaching pilots during post crash simulator testing to obtain optimal results rather than simulated real life responses What were the FAA thinking??? No doubt more to be revealed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55372499 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EwenS Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Boeing to hire 160 “Global Engagement Pilots” to help get the MAX into service. https://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN28Q31R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAT69 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Between staffing to make the comeback go smooth and the PR expenses associated with it, a huge amount of money is yet to be spent. "Global Engagement Pilots" will make up to $200,000 per year. That's $32,000,000 if they all get paid that much. And most of us are concerned because our grocery money doesn't go far enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger331 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 On 12/15/2020 at 9:27 PM, Julien said: I had the displeasure of flying Ryan Air once, never again. Like you their use of the Max gives me another reason to avoid them. Yep........Had a personal run in with M O'L some years ago and this gives me yet another reason to avoid this excuse of an airline........willing to play with people's lives for yet more ill gotten profiteering. The 737 MAX is a flying coffin......no confidence in it whatsoever, no matter how much Boeing pay off the licensing authorities to give it a clean bill of health. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 They can rebrand it the 737-7700. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Stephen said: They can rebrand it the 737-7700. Very good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EwenS Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Haven't Ryanair already done that? The 737-8200. There was a photo of a Ryanair MAX parked up with that on the nose. Most folk won't be any the wiser. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/15/boeing-737-max-ordered-by-ryanair-undergoes-name-change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 EASA seem to think it’s good to fly again https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55366320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Aer Lingus Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 21 hours ago, Tiger331 said: Yep........Had a personal run in with M O'L some years ago and this gives me yet another reason to avoid this excuse of an airline........willing to play with people's lives for yet more ill gotten profiteering. The 737 MAX is a flying coffin......no confidence in it whatsoever, no matter how much Boeing pay off the licensing authorities to give it a clean bill of health. Your not the only one who's had a run in with the berk! nothing beats reacting to him jump up and down with a slight grin and silence, but it does appear the issues with the max have been sorted & memories soon go away at the thought of a cheap as chips fare that's why he's so successful no such thing as bad publicity after all. Eamonn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 19 hours ago, EwenS said: Haven't Ryanair already done that? The 737-8200. I think the joke was the 7700 (squawk code) 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 For the ignorant, like myself: EMERGENCY (Mode 3A Code 7700) 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 Not MCAS related but bad publicity none the less https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-12-25/air-canada-boeing-737-max-suffers-engine-problem-aviation24 Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 They've been sitting idle for 18 months, bound to be a few niggles getting them back in service. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalal Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 https://www.dw.com/en/boeing-737-8-max-engine-issue-forces-emergency-landing/a-56060936 Engine emergency issue during test flight. Can they name it 737-FAIL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Hello MAX is back in service: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/boeing-737-max/2020/12/29/7d211cbc-49f2-11eb-839a-cf4ba7b7c48c_story.html Perhaps now a further development of 737 is being (re)considered? Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Boeing have been fined 2.5 bn USD for "profit over candour". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55582496 This is in addition to fines the FAA previously sought as Boeing knowingly installed flap tracks that had failed strength tests. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51058929 I must admit, I am quite shocked by this. I'm horrified by the idea that any engineer would sign this off. I am fortunate to be able to work with many companies (including Boeing) and I have found the engineers fantastic to work with - although they charge an awful amount for anything! It's deeply concerning as the culture of any company is set by the senior managers. The implication from this is that there is a problem with the culture and therefore higher management. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 11:10 AM, wellsprop said: The implication from this is that there is a problem with the culture and therefore higher management. There certainly was, hopefully for Boeings future, the rat bags who valued profit over people have been weeded out & they will be back on track now. Hopefully. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 52 minutes ago, stevehnz said: Hopefully. With a capital H, indeed! Call me cynical, I’m not convinced. With ¥€£$ as the one true religion, I fear it’ll happen time and again. But, here’s Hoping!🤞 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I suspect this news is not what Boeing were hoping for. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55751150 The suggestion is that its going back into service too early. You would like to think that after two major accidents that those responsible for the safety of the design had looked long and hard and sorted out any issues before it takes to the skies once more and that, having been done, it returns to service "fixed" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalal Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Production quality issues are everywhere in Boeing. Just look a this report about 787. This is appalling. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalal Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 26/01/2021 at 00:49, stalal said: Production quality issues are everywhere in Boeing. Just look a this report about 787. This is appalling. While I'm not trying to defend Boeing (see my previous, very critical, comments) - I do think this video has to be contextualised. FOD, particularly metal shavings and loose nuts (stop giggling at the back!), are far more common than you would expect across all aircraft manufacturers. Having worked as an inspector for an aerospace company (and now being an engineer at a major aerospace company), I have seen all of those things (obligatary disclaimer - not necessarily relating to the company I work[or worked] for). Many of the issues mentioned I have seen first hand in various companies. The most concerning comments are those relating to company culture - I have seen nothing like the issues Boeing reportedly has in any of the companies I have worked for, or with. On another note, one of my more experienced colleagues used to be a fitter at British Aerospace in the early 80s. He was checking the inside of the fuel tanks of a Vulcan and discovered a wooden stool, thoroughly soaked in jet fuel! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/04/10/american-united-southwest-grounding-boeing-737-max-jets/ Electrical problems now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalal Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Jan 2020 article but still good to read https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1997-merger-paved-way-boeing-090042193.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Great article, pretty much sums up why I think Neo-liberal economics in general & (many) fund managers in particular as hand maidens of the devil, Just saying Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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