Plumbum Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I am looking at getting my after market parts to do an air to air F-4E from Korat during the Vietnam conflict in about the 1972 time frame. Does this sound feesible. Station 1--370 gallon tank, station 2--2 AIM 9s, station 3-- AIM 7, station 4--AIM 7, station 5--600 gallon tank, station 6--ALQ-87, station 7--AIM 7, station 8--2 AIM 9s, station 9--370 gallon tank. Thanks---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Johnv said: I am looking at getting my after market parts to do an air to air F-4E from Korat during the Vietnam conflict in about the 1972 time frame. Does this sound feesible. Station 1--370 gallon tank, station 2--2 AIM 9s, station 3-- AIM 7, station 4--AIM 7, station 5--600 gallon tank, station 6--ALQ-87, station 7--AIM 7, station 8--2 AIM 9s, station 9--370 gallon tank. Thanks---John I don't think I've seen many photos of Vietnam F-4E's with ECM in the Sparrow wells. ECM carriage on the inboard wing pylons underneath the Sidewinders (AIM-9E or J by 1972) would seem more typical. Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 ECM pod in the right forward Sparrow wells was standart for 388th TFW at Korat, 1972, at least when going up north. Linky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Bunker Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 388TFS at Korat flying F-4Es carried the same ECM pods as F-105s as they were (electronically) disguising themselves as F-105s in order to deal with the MiG threat. North Vietnam spots an F-105 flight inbound, sends MiGs to intercept but the MiGs find out they are F-4Es and mayhem follows. I believe this was the idea of Col Robin Olds and the pods were only carried for a number of missions until the North Vietnamese cottoned on to what was happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumbum Posted February 28, 2019 Author Share Posted February 28, 2019 Thanks for the help and these Korat images!---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Nigel Bunker said: 388TFS at Korat flying F-4Es carried the same ECM pods as F-105s as they were (electronically) disguising themselves as F-105s in order to deal with the MiG threat. North Vietnam spots an F-105 flight inbound, sends MiGs to intercept but the MiGs find out they are F-4Es and mayhem follows. I believe this was the idea of Col Robin Olds and the pods were only carried for a number of missions until the North Vietnamese cottoned on to what was happening. You're talking about operation Bolo, that took place in january.... 1967. They were flying F-4C at the time, the E arriving much latter in Vietnam, in november 68. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Bunker Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 56 minutes ago, Antoine said: You're talking about operation Bolo, that took place in january.... 1967. They were flying F-4C at the time, the E arriving much latter in Vietnam, in november 68. Antoine, I stand corrected. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/1/2019 at 12:12 AM, Nigel Bunker said: Antoine, I stand corrected. Nigel And I as well! On 2/28/2019 at 6:26 AM, Hook said: I don't think I've seen many photos of Vietnam F-4E's with ECM in the Sparrow wells. Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) I've recently bought an Italeri F-4C.D/J kit with Olds markings in it, what are my chances of finding this pod among the sprues in there? Something to check at home. Steve. Edited March 3, 2019 by stevehnz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 57 minutes ago, stevehnz said: I've recently bought an Italeri F-4C.D/J kit with Olds markings in it, what are my chances of finding this pod among the sprues in there? If it's the F-4 C/D/J Phantom II Aces set in 1/72nd: none, I'm afraid. Just fule tanks, AIM-&'s and AIM-9's. Some nice ones can be found in the Monogram F-4C/D kit, and Hasegawa's X72-4 weapons set. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Thanks Andre, yes, that's the kit so I won't need to dig it out now, I think I have that weapon set but if not, I'll get one, they're always useful. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Hi Steve, You won't find the pod you need in this set. Bolo's pods were QRC-160-1, that latter became AN/ALQ-71. Be careful, as there are many QRC-160 version, the -8 being already an AN/ALQ-87. And if you already drowned in US designations, just check this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAGATIGER Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 8 hours ago, stevehnz said: I've recently bought an Italeri F-4C.D/J kit with Olds markings in it, what are my chances of finding this pod among the sprues in there? Something to check at home. Steve. The real value of that kit is the decals as the kit is not that good by itself, nor the weapons from Italeri, in general talking sense BTW yesterday I was scrounging around my own stash and find this set Italeri USA/NATO Aircraft Arms 1/72 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/italeri-177-usa-nato-aircraft-arms--144405 The real value for this kit (for me at least) is that include rocket pods (so few btw) and the Nuclear Bombs But in any case what you really need is to replace the Sidewinders AIM-9 all variants you can find in this kit from Hasegawa Aircraft weapons sets from I to IV specially if you looking to finish Vietnam timeframe US aircraft https://www.scalemates.com/kits/hasegawa-x72-1-aircraft-weapons-i--128606 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/hasegawa-x72-2-aircraft-weapons-ii--246764 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/hasegawa-x72-3-aircraft-weapons-iii--128605 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/hasegawa-x72-4-aircraft-weapons-iv--241370 Here my 0.02 cents Keep modelling Armando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 @Antoine thanks for the heads up on that, though I have the set anyway. Do you know of any sources for the AN/ALQ-71 other than the Monogram Phantom kit, if not, guess what I'll be looking for. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Sorry, Steeve, just don't know. I think there are none at the moment, but you can safely consider scratching it, as the shape is not that complicated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony.t Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 On 6 March 2019 at 4:59 AM, stevehnz said: @Antoine thanks for the heads up on that, though I have the set anyway. Do you know of any sources for the AN/ALQ-71 other than the Monogram Phantom kit, if not, guess what I'll be looking for. Steve. Steve, you can find a pair of ALQ-71s in the Trumpeter F-105G Weasel kit. There was some debate as to whether the F-4 flown by Olds in January 1967 had a slick radome (fitted on the production line to late F-4Cs and early F-4Ds, alike) or the type with the blister (which was being reintroduced to house RHAWS radar warning gear). IIRC the Bolo pods were carried underwing, on an outboard pylon, in an asymmetric configuration (fuel drop tank on other wing). I like the early Freedom Train/Linebacker Udorn Combat Tree F-4Ds from the Spring-early Summer of 1972, which had weird combos of fuel bags, 4 x semi-recessed AIM-7E-2 Sparrows, two AIM-4D Falcons on inner-facing L-41/42 rails on the inboard wing pylons, with an asymmetric ECM fit; ALQ-71 (X-band jammer) and a short ALQ-101 Special (SA-2 beacon jammer) underneath these pylons, one on each side. The only source of the L-series Falcon rails are the slightly inept ones on 1970s generation Hasegawa F-4E/EJ tooling, but the Revell/Monogram kit, at least, has a great little ALQ-87 and '101, the former great for a Korat F-4E. Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Silly me! I did check the Trumpy D, but forgot about the G... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffry M Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 8:55 PM, Johnv said: Hi Johnv, I wouldn't say that the load out you want wasn't possible, but unfortunately for the F-4E, but the time they were flying over NVN they were replacing F-105s in the bombing role. More likely they would be carrying bombs and maybe a couple sparrows. But anything was possible. Geoff M On 2/27/2019 at 8:55 PM, Johnv said: I am looking at getting my after market parts to do an air to air F-4E from Korat during the Vietnam conflict in about the 1972 time frame. Does this sound feesible. Station 1--370 gallon tank, station 2--2 AIM 9s, station 3-- AIM 7, station 4--AIM 7, station 5--600 gallon tank, station 6--ALQ-87, station 7--AIM 7, station 8--2 AIM 9s, station 9--370 gallon tank. Thanks---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumbum Posted April 2, 2019 Author Share Posted April 2, 2019 Read Palace Cobra by Capt. Ed Rasimus who flew F-4Es from Thailand 1972-72. It WAS a MIGCAP load, NOT a bombing load. He explains VERY WELL what loads he used for what missions.---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Love that book and Ed Rasimus was one of my heroes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyfoos Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) Even USMC F-4Js in Thailand were flying air to air loads in 1972 (typically three fuel tanks, two AIM-7s, and four AIM-9s). Edited April 2, 2019 by ziggyfoos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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