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Have Haynes Manuals gone too far?

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34 minutes ago, bentwaters81tfw said:

I've just been looking, on the intersection of Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa and Gaupolican 

53.09.34.31S and 70.53.35.52 on street view. on the verge on the road the camera car didn't go down.

Are you sure that's an Allegro, looks like a Peugeot 504 to me.

And anyway how did you know it was there in the first place, why would you go Allegro spotting in Chile of all places?

On the subject of Allegros, could you think of anything uglier than a brown Allegro Estate?

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30 minutes ago, Lightningboy2000 said:

Are you sure that's an Allegro, looks like a Peugeot 504 to me.

And anyway how did you know it was there in the first place, why would you go Allegro spotting in Chile of all places?

On the subject of Allegros, could you think of anything uglier than a brown Allegro Estate?

Because I walked past it in 2017. That could be a 504 but there was a Brown Allagro minus windscreen on an interchange along that road. I didn't fancy a boat trip in the Straits to see penguins so I took a hike instead. Cracked up when I saw it.

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For anyone who has  tinkered around with classic cars the original Haynes manuals were magic and often bloody useful.

 

The new ones which cater to slightly more exotic subjects than say a Mk I Escort are obviously of a different focus. And saying that some of the newer ones are excellent, the recent SE5 one by Nick Garton for example is absolutely brilliant.

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On ‎2‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 12:07 AM, Lightningboy2000 said:

a brown Allegro Estate?

Made me laugh ,I was just about to tell a story about one.

I was at RAF Halton on a course June 77 we had an old civvy instructor Mr Byron . Nice bloke but really should have retired already. He was going on about his retirement car ,just ordered it ,chuffed to bits and his first ever new car … What you getting Mr Byron ? Allegro Estate … Silence followed by restrained sniggers ,snorting and saved by the NAAFI break bell ! I had stomach ache .

Few weeks later British Leyland had located his car in a West Midland swamp . Can't be a waiting list surely Mr Byron . Oh yes , 2 weeks but it's taken 3 and a half ,he spoke with his head up and eyes shut all the time . The day he got it and was parked on the pan in the blazing sun outside New workshops hangar doors if you know Halton . He was walking round and round it flapping tack rags over the bodywork shifting the dust that was settling on it . He'd grown another foot taller !

Holy Cow it's Brown ! Why would you want that and Allegro too ? I suppose the main thing was it had made his day and drove off in to retirement with a smile . It was an evil shade ,evil shape ,evil car .Not satisfied , BL made the TR7,Spitfire,Stag, Dolomite , MGB, Mini, Marina , Rover SD1 and Princess in Brown too.

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New Model Army released a 12” single back in 1992 called “Here Comes the War” that had a poster insert with a diagram of a nuclear device in it. A few people got their jimmies rustled about it at the time but as far as I can tell nobody has actually put one together based on it in the intervening 27 years.

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On ‎2‎/‎17‎/‎2019 at 9:45 PM, Admiral Puff said:

A more fundamental question - why would anyone want to buy one in the first place?

Back to the Allegro ( Or All Aggro ?) BL or BLMC said they conducted one of or the  biggest ever market researches on what people wanted in a car . Somehow they worked out  the Allegro was the thing to drive . It replaced the Austin 1300 (1100 shape) that was still in the car sales UK top ten ( no idea how in 1972 ) and at a time when Datsun and Toyota were hammering the British market with cars where everything was standard . Austin/Morris prior to that were charging extra for heaters and Radios, I don't want a heater or Radio ..Fine sir that will be 10 quid each to have them removed . That's how it was back then . The Datsun heater was blowing heat in 5 minutes ,if that. Drivers said they want clear view of the instrument dials.. have a Quartic steering wheel ,if you're too young to know any of this ….  it was squarish/rectangular effort  with rounded corners and also gave more leg room under the s/wheel  . Oh yeah ,no more of that leg getting in the way rigmarole .

So the Flying Pig had a weird wheel and the press went mad with it like it was clever … That wheel lasted about a year . It was a fair sized car with acres of space in the back and a underpowered small engine in 1300 form, also available in 1500 and later in  1750 equip shape ( French for Sport team , it wasn't) Could have been a hatchback ,wasn't .Hatchbacks were on the verge . Maxi was an early hatchback ,no stick with the boot, might affect the Maxi . Still had a bit of a sales boom though with all that . It was such a horrible thing . This was competing with the Escort which had been going since 68 and still better .

The next year came the Golf ,that was on another planet . Datsun 100A Cherry ,120Y Sunny (Okay it was a bit coupe shaped with 2 doors) Were also a breath of fresh air . I wouldn't have bought one but Austin /Morris 1300 owners would have and probably did.

Buy a 2 door and in typical BLMC tradition the front doors were exactly the same as the front doors (saves money ) on the 4 door model ,can't get in and out of the back seats with out a black belt in Yoga . Marina 2 door was the same . If you ever wondered how we lost, chucked away a British owned car industry , this is where it all started . Oh and the strikes caused by bad management , bad governments and bad workforce . 9 years Production roughly 600,000 built. The story of the Marina is a belter ,couldn't make that up either but that's another half page .

Also available in Brown :poop:

Edited by bzn20

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Precisely why I raised the point in the first place!

 

I started driving legally on Australian roads some fifty five years ago, in a Morris Major Elite (an Australian special based on the Morris Major/Wolseley 1500) - a reasonable, if uninspiring, set of wheels that was quite well built by the standards of the day. From that I graduated via a Morris 1100 to an Austin 1800, and got good service out of all of them. The Landcrab was particularly appreciated, as at the time I was active in the local gliding club and used it on many retrieves over many, many miles - and it could double as a motel in times of need. Having it totalled (not through any fault of mine) was a bit of a blow. The rot started here when BMC became British Leyland - it seems that the British problems were exported to Australia as well, because BL products generally very quickly acquired a reputation for unreliability, due in no small part to BL's habit (imported from the UK, I gather) of using the first twelve months' production run to sort out any final bugs in the product. The Allegro came out here, I believe, in the form of the Morris Marina, a singularly horrible piece of ordure and one you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy. By then I had moved to Volvos which, despite their stodgy reputation, were actually quite reasonable drives if a firm enough hand was applied. They had the added appeal of being bulletproof, a very valuable feature when dealing with Australian roads.

 

These days my daily drive is a Peugeot. I sold the last of my Volvos in April 2008 and replaced it with a 308 diesel, which gave me eight years and 120,000 kms of good service before I replaced it with a 208 GTi in July 2016. So far that's done just under 65,000 kms without missing a beat. When it comes time to change it will probably be to another 208 GTi.

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