mhaselden Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Hi Folks, Are there any decals out there providing white-outlined serial letters/numbers for use on the rudder of WW1 British aircraft? I have a great subject I'd like to build but the pesky rudder serials have white outlines and I have no clue how to replicate them. Any suggestions from the WWI cognoscenti out there? Many thanks, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Scale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaselden Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Doh!!!! That really wasn't very bright of me. 1/48. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 The problem is that there was virtually no standardisation in relation to these so the amount of styles and sizing is huge, even within the same aircraft type. For example if you look at the SE5a there are numerous styles and sizes but there were some similarities within some batch numbers. So knowing the subject would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaselden Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Yeah, I'm aware of the variability in markings. To be honest, I'd just like to get pretty close to the actual appearance of the aircraft.. The aircraft I'm trying to model is at Post #22 of this thread about 11 Sqn Brisfits showing an image of E2586: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235026886-11-sqn-brisfit-markings-sep-nov-1918/& Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, mhaselden said: Yeah, I'm aware of the variability in markings. To be honest, I'd just like to get pretty close to the actual appearance of the aircraft.. The aircraft I'm trying to model is at Post #22 of this thread about 11 Sqn Brisfits showing an image of E2586: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235026886-11-sqn-brisfit-markings-sep-nov-1918/& Pegasus used to do a sheet I think which might be worth looking up. Otherwise you might have to use numbers as close as possible from one of the myriad WWII serial sheets and add the white outline. I've seen it done in the past with a specialised fine tipped "paint pen" from an artist supplies shop. So that could be a go if you've got a steady hand and some patience to practice first. You could of course get in touch with someone with an ALPS printer to make you some. Maybe a request here in the relevant section? Lovely project BTW of doing a relative's aircraft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaselden Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Thanks Smithy. Yeah...I didn't even know I had a relative who was a fighter pilot until I did some digging into my family tree. Fascinating what you can find as you go back through the generations. Thanks for the ideas for how to locate the serial numbers. I'll have to think on it for a while and see if any inspiration strikes. Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Thompson Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Smithy said: Pegasus used to do a sheet I think which might be worth looking up. Unfortunately they're not currently in print at Freightdog. No stocks left at Hannants either. Very useful, but they are 1/'72nd only, so not much use in this case anyway................... Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Well that's that out then with the Pegasus idea. By the sounds it's going to have to be the do it yourself route using black serial numbers from an aftermarket sheet of a similar size and font, and then adding the white outline... or Getting someone with an ALPS to print them for you. You could try and obtain the relevant letters and numbers as bits and bobs from other kits' decals but I fear the sheer breadth of difference in styles and sizes might mean that they would look very out of kilter when put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balbir Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) Hi, You could try Fantasy printshop - i bought 1/72 version from them last October. Link to 1/48 version: https://www.fantasyprintshop.co.uk/shop/pegasus-48-001-rfc-rnas-ww1-serials/ I think you layer the white and black serials to create the white outline, you'll see that some of the white characters are wider than the others to facilitate this. Bal Edited February 7, 2019 by Balbir 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaddad Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 6 hours ago, mhaselden said: Hi Folks, Are there any decals out there providing white-outlined serial letters/numbers for use on the rudder of WW1 British aircraft? I have a great subject I'd like to build but the pesky rudder serials have white outlines and I have no clue how to replicate them. Any suggestions from the WWI cognoscenti out there? Many thanks, Mark Check out Hannants, Ventura sheets VA4898 8" RAF & Commonwealth serials 1919-1939 & VA7287 ditto. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spruecutter96 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Hello. If you're good with IT, print your own at home? I appreciate that this is "easier said than done"... Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 afair Fantasyprint does Luftwaffe white outline numbers and separate coloured numbers which can be overlaid to give white outlined numbers. Luftwaffe number style is not too far different to most RAF styles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 9 hours ago, Balbir said: Hi, You could try Fantasy printshop - i bought 1/72 version from them last October. Link to 1/48 version: https://www.fantasyprintshop.co.uk/shop/pegasus-48-001-rfc-rnas-ww1-serials/ I think you layer the white and black serials to create the white outline, you'll see that some of the white characters are wider than the others to facilitate this. Bal That would be my first choice and many thanks for posting that this sheet is still available. I'd remembered having seen it a few years back so it's good to see that it's still around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmaas Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 An alternative would be Ventura sheet V4898, British 8 inch serials 1920-1939. White outlined numerals, unfortunately the letters are K and J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaddad Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 11 hours ago, jimmaas said: An alternative would be Ventura sheet V4898, British 8 inch serials 1920-1939. White outlined numerals, unfortunately the letters are K and J. see post no. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) On 2/7/2019 at 11:53 PM, spaddad said: Check out Hannants, Ventura sheets VA4898 8" RAF & Commonwealth serials 1919-1939 & VA7287 ditto. Just taken delivery of VA7287 and think it's excellent value. Full of numerals, both outlined and not, in a range of styles, widths and stroke widths. But, as @jimmaas has pointed out, the only plain letters are J, K and N and the only outlined letters K and N, which is a bit of a killer against OP's original requirement. But the sheet is still very useful for the first 10000 British military aircraft. Edited March 8, 2019 by Seahawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaselden Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 11:43 PM, Balbir said: Hi, You could try Fantasy printshop - i bought 1/72 version from them last October. Link to 1/48 version: https://www.fantasyprintshop.co.uk/shop/pegasus-48-001-rfc-rnas-ww1-serials/ I think you layer the white and black serials to create the white outline, you'll see that some of the white characters are wider than the others to facilitate this. Bal Thanks Bal. It sounds a wee bit fiddly but that looks like a good solution to my problem. On 3/4/2019 at 1:33 AM, jimmaas said: An alternative would be Ventura sheet V4898, British 8 inch serials 1920-1939. White outlined numerals, unfortunately the letters are K and J. Hi Jim. Long time no speak. I owe you an email to update you on all our "happenings". Appreciate the recommendation but the lack of letters make it a trickier option than the Fantasy Printshop option. Kind regards, Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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