sniperUK Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, stevehnz said: Edited November 2, 2019 by sniperUK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) On 11/1/2019 at 9:51 AM, PhantomBigStu said: likewise same RRP as the airfix, I hoped it would be cheaper but forgot italeri's silly pricing, so I won't be picking one up The pricing is actually pretty reasonable (especially by Italeri's recent standards), this has never been a cheap kit. Jadlam is the cheapest I can find it and undercuts Airfix sufficiently my for me, not that it makes any difference to which kit I will be buying in numbers! Decals look fine to me, lacking in stencil data a bit, but I can live with that! Edited November 2, 2019 by 71chally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 43th Squadron. Interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniperUK Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Meatbox8 said: 43th Squadron. Interesting. Not really only 111 and 43 used the FG. 1 and the Airfix RAF FG. 1 has 43 as well. Edited November 2, 2019 by sniperUK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Meatbox8 said: 43th Squadron. Interesting. 1 hour ago, sniperUK said: Not really only 111 and 43 used the FG. 1 and the Airfix RAF FG. 1 has 43 as well. The point he's making is it's 43 Sqn, not 43th Squadron. It's a common mistake made by manufacturers, not everyone follows the US convention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickoshea52 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 36 minutes ago, Wez said: The point he's making is it's 43 Sqn, not 43th Squadron. It's a common mistake made by manufacturers, not everyone follows the US convention. Or indeed 43rd sqn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, Rickoshea52 said: Or indeed 43rd sqn. Yes that too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) I really can't get into the niffnaff of what things say on boxes, instructions or paint guides, and have to allow for various languages translations. However for the initiated this is boxed as an F-4M FG.1. In reality the F-4K is the FG.1 and the F-4M was the FGR.2. I remember when these kits first came out, and they seemed like they came from the future compared with other manufacturers at the time. I struggled to save up for them, but they were well worth it. Now it is the future, and they are still damn fine kits! Edited November 2, 2019 by 71chally 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 14 hours ago, 71chally said: I really can't get into the niffnaff of what things say on boxes, instructions or paint guides, and have to allow for various languages translations. However for the initiated this is boxed as an F-4M FG.1. In reality the F-4K is the FG.1 and the F-4M was the FGR.2. Never mind that - how about decal option #3, "Version C. Royal Air Force XT860 892nd Squadron Fleet Air Arm"? Some Senior Service folks are probably having fits right now. Cheers, Andre 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim T Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Is the Hornet a rebox of the Kinetic kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeback52 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) On 11/4/2019 at 8:54 AM, Tim T said: Is the Hornet a rebox of the Kinetic kit? Unlikely. The Kinetic kit gives you the option to fold the wings and display with everything hanging. it also has a more comprehensive range or Ordnance. This looks very much like the original Italeri kit. Wont be bothering with the Phantom kit. The Airfix kit may be a bit over engineered but, for my money it's superior in just about every respect to the somewhat geriatric (admittedly decent) Fujimi moulding. I expect rivet counters won't agree. Allan Edited November 24, 2019 by Albeback52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 51 minutes ago, Tim T said: Is the Hornet a rebox of the Kinetic kit? Nope, italeris own tooling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) Very pleased to see after my post about the Phantom kit a couple of days ago, on Italeri's website, the early boxart images have morphed into the 111 sqn scheme as in the decals. That rather answers my query, at least this aircraft wore that scheme, though the 43 squadron aircraft is in a different scheme in the Fujimi kit. Steve. Edited November 4, 2019 by stevehnz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_B Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Wish they had gone with the F-4K Fujimi kit as that still allows for 892 and 43 sqdn aircraft , but also the other FAA units and prototypes. The FG1 kit is on regular release from Fujimi themselves so would have been nice to see the Other F-4k kit without the RWR. The same goes for the F-4M/FGR2 as that could cover the various early and late RAF units and schemes, but is RAF only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) Expected in December 2019 a re-edition in a combined boxing from the vintage ESCI "Flogger" kits (MiG-23S link & MiG-27 link ) : 1/48th - MiG-23MF + 23BN with new "super" decals - ref. 2798 Source: https://nowosci.plastikowe.pl/aktualnosci/zapowiedzi-italeri-listopad-2019/ Box art V.P. Edited November 24, 2019 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted November 29, 2019 Author Share Posted November 29, 2019 Released 1/48th - 2798 - MiG-23 MF/BN "Flogger" Source: https://www.italeri.com/prodotto/2874 µµ V.P. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 See the MiG-23BN is still the same awful mis-shapen lump I made in the late 80s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Col. said: See the MiG-23BN is still the same awful mis-shapen lump I made in the late 80s incredlible, yes! but the decals look nice! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, exdraken said: incredlible, yes! but the decals look nice! I think that comes under the definition of 'Damning By Faint Praise' Werner In fact I'd be so bold as to say both of the Italeri -23 kits were worse than the Trumpeter equivalents when even the later kit is still far from an accurate rendition of the 'duck-nose' -23BN/27 series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Col. said: I think that comes under the definition of 'Damning By Faint Praise' Werner In fact I'd be so bold as to say both of the Italeri -23 kits were worse than the Trumpeter equivalents when even the later kit is still far from an accurate rendition of the 'duck-nose' -23BN/27 series I totally re-did the the MiG-23MF once.... not too much left of the original shape.... somehwere here on BM , probably photobucket infested..... and not close top perfect in any way.... just before the Trumpeter kit hit the market..... still to do one of those as of yet..... the BN/ MiG-27 of ESCI / Italeri also need a new nose, just like the Trumpter one... but it also needs new fuselage, wings and everything else..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, exdraken said: I totally re-did the the MiG-23MF once.... not too much left of the original shape.... somehwere here on BM , probably photobucket infested..... and not close top perfect in any way.... just before the Trumpeter kit hit the market..... still to do one of those as of yet..... Regardless of where you started your MiG-23MF turned out well. 20 minutes ago, exdraken said: ...the BN/ MiG-27 of ESCI / Italeri also need a new nose, just like the Trumpter one... but it also needs new fuselage, wings and everything else..... Alas I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at that final sentence. We really have been let down by the various attempts to kit the MiG-23BN/-27 series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 I will say one thing, and that is that Italeri are coming up with some cracking box art. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 11 hours ago, Col. said: See the MiG-23BN is still the same awful mis-shapen lump I made in the late 80s That HAS to be that ESCI version. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 5 hours ago, alt-92 said: That HAS to be that ESCI version. Oh yes. A kit as terrible as its box-art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 I know, I had both of them 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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