Wez Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, VMA131Marine said: These are actually 3 different kits. I'd say two, the Hasegawa/Frog kit and the Revell kit. Frog used to rebox Hasegawa kits in the late 60's/early 70's. The Revell kit was either a B or J with lookee-likee K/M exhausts - I can't tell you how disappointed I was when I bought it as a yoof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, Wez said: I'd say two, the Hasegawa/Frog kit and the Revell kit. Frog used to rebox Hasegawa kits in the late 60's/early 70's. I'm aware of the Hasegwa/Frog tie-in. While there are similarities between the Hasegawa and Frog British Phantom kits, they are from different toolings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, VMA131Marine said: I'm aware of the Hasegwa/Frog tie-in. While there are similarities between the Hasegawa and Frog British Phantom kits, they are from different toolings. OK if you say so, it's so long ago that I made either I really can't remember. Edited January 30, 2019 by Wez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Wez said: OK if you say so, it's so long ago that I made either I really can't remember. The Hasegawa kit came out in 1967 and it appeared in a FROG box in 1968. FROG created their own Phantom FG.1 kit in 1975, which was after the cooperation agreement with Hasegawa had ended. The FROG kit has since appeared as FROGspawn from Eastern European manufacturers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 21 hours ago, VMA131Marine said: Looking at these four again, the Fujimi tie-in possibility is not 100% The F-86 is likely the Academy kit Revell issued a Sikorsky-built SH-3A Sea King kit in 1983 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/revell-4427-sikorsky-sh-3a-sea-king--140260 From memory that was the Lindberg kit. The 1986 release was the Fujimi kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Dave Fleming said: From memory that was the Lindberg kit. The 1986 release was the Fujimi kit. Thanks! Scalemates doesn't seem to think that's the case, but comparing the 1986 Revell kit to the 1983 version they don't appear to be based on the same tooling. Furthermore there are a lot of similarities between the 1983 kit and the Lindberg version. The only obvious difference is the lack of torpedoes on the Revell. https://www.scalemates.com/kits/revell-4444-westland-sea-king-mk41-sar--140264 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/revell-4427-sikorsky-sh-3a-sea-king--140260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas V. Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 F-86F, Sea King, MiG-21Bis, Bf 110 C/D, Phantom FG.1 are all Fujimi provenance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 9 hours ago, Thomas V. said: F-86F, Sea King, MiG-21Bis, Bf 110 C/D, Phantom FG.1 are all Fujimi provenance. I'm not too surprised. Fujimi hardly ever cared about exports. It's possible that the domestic sales went down and that Fujimi sells bags to get some cash in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyf117 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) Content withdrawn - I will NOT be threatened by a moderator, simply because I queried the actions of another... Edited June 27, 2020 by andyf117 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Laurent said: I'm not too surprised. Fujimi hardly ever cared about exports. It's possible that the domestic sales went down and that Fujimi sells bags to get some cash in. I’m only surprised that it has actually happened. Since Fujimi withdrew from the export market, I’m aware that they have been approached both to export complete kits and supply polybag kits (Like the 80s Revell releases mentioned above) but have never shown willing. Presumably market conditions and the size of the Italeri order have influenced them. it will be interesting to see the price point, especially of the Phantom, as it’s still a competitive choice with the new Airfix kit. Edited January 31, 2019 by Dave Fleming 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas V. Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Laurent said: I'm not too surprised. Fujimi hardly ever cared about exports. It's possible that the domestic sales went down and that Fujimi sells bags to get some cash in. Except Phantom and to an extent Sea King and F-86F-40, all others are well surpassed by other manufacturers, just hope the next few years will see Cutlass, A-4B/C Skyhawks that were not kitted by Italeri or Esci, CH-46's etc... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas V. Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Dave Fleming said: I’m only surprised that it has actually happened. Since Fujimi withdrew from the export market, I’m aware that they have been approached both to export complete kits and supply polybag kits (Like the 80s Revell releases mentioned above) but have never shown willing. Presumably market conditions and the size of the Italeri order have influenced them. it will be interesting to see the price point, especially of the Phantom, as it’s still a competitive choice with the new Airfix kit. If they issue FG.1 in its third and final iteration ( 1991? ) except slats and cockpit in my opinion its far finer kit than Airfix, and to think its 30 years old kit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 On 1/30/2019 at 11:20 AM, 71chally said: I'm hopping the Mi-24P is the Zvezda kit. Most likely it's their own so-so (compared with the Zvezda) kit: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/italeri-024-mi-24-hind-f--284068 Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEMPESTMK5 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Good afternoon It seems that the P47D-30 Thinderbolt supposed to be released in 2017 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/italeri-1368-p-47d-30ra-thunderbolt--1029870 has completely disapeared from Italeri catalogue ... Never mind I have a lot of Tamiya kits in mys stash ... Patrice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonlanceHR Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 I just noticed the 1/48 new tool Re.2000. They'll mess it up, like they did with the Re.2002. I could cry 😥 Vedran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janneman36 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 On 2/1/2019 at 8:25 AM, Hook said: Most likely it's their own so-so (compared with the Zvezda) kit: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/italeri-024-mi-24-hind-f--284068 Cheers, Andre If i am correct than this wil be the old Esci...... Cheers, Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 On 1/30/2019 at 8:55 PM, VMA131Marine said: Thanks! Scalemates doesn't seem to think that's the case, but comparing the 1986 Revell kit to the 1983 version they don't appear to be based on the same tooling https://www.scalemates.com/kits/revell-4444-westland-sea-king-mk41-sar--140264 https://www.scalemates.com/kits/revell-4427-sikorsky-sh-3a-sea-king--140260 Scalemates was wrong, it was definitely the Fujimi tooling, It had an option for an RN HAS1, And was a good bit cheaper than the Fujimi kit sold for at the time. They also reboxed the Fujimi Alpha Jet and Sea Harrier at that time too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Was there a release date for the Phantom FG, 1 ? Robetr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverkite Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I don't want to badmouth Scalemates but I think they "guess" which tooling is and which tooling is not, sometimes they get it right and some other times they do not. I don't know if registered users can mess with the historic kit timeline or not, could address some errors if so, but if they need photographic proof of kit tooling then is going to be a problem especially for some OOP kits and whatnot Luigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Silverkite said: I don't want to badmouth Scalemates but I think they "guess" which tooling is and which tooling is not, sometimes they get it right and some other times they do not. I don't know if registered users can mess with the historic kit timeline or not, could address some errors if so, but if they need photographic proof of kit tooling then is going to be a problem especially for some OOP kits and whatnot Luigi You can, it's effectively a Wiki - I have amended the Sea King timeline to refelect the Fujimi link (Still need proof for the H3/Testors link though). You'd be surprised how easy it is to find - I found inbox shots of the Revell issue quite quickly and compared them to the same of a Fujimi box, just to refresh my meory Edited February 5, 2019 by Dave Fleming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyf117 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) Content withdrawn - I will NOT be threatened by a moderator, simply because I queried the actions of another... Edited June 27, 2020 by andyf117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 8 hours ago, andyf117 said: The Testors SH-3H was definitely the Fujimi kit (Scalemates already show as such) - I bought one at Orange Blossom Hobbies in Miami while touring the Florida bases in 1989 (exactly 30-years ago to the month!), and in these pics (found online in 30 secs) the Fujimi and Testors logos are clearly seen side-by-side: Sorry, meant H3/Lindberg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfqweofekwpeweiop4 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 9:44 PM, Wez said: Pretty sure I have one in the stash, I'll have to look at the weekend. It definitely has a chuffing big gun! This is the one I have, different catalogue number but deffo this kit EDIT: Just done some checking and apparently, the big chuffing gun was a 75mm - not a 37 mm so my mistake! The Hs129 usually had a 30mm cannon - the big gun is a modified PaK-40. They fitted it with some autoloader (21 rounds I think) and fitted it with as much recoil compensation as they could manage. It could fire several rounds in a pass and was capable of knocking out even the Russian IS-2 tanks. The PaK-40 was indeed a 75mm weapon and was the German army's standard anti tank gun from mid to late war and modified versions of it were also fitted to mid-late war Panzer IV's and StuG III's. thanks Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Released - 1/72nd - ref. 1408 - IAI Kfir C.2 Source: https://www.italeri.com/en/prodotto/2779 V.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Released - 1/48th - ref. 2788 - Douglas A-1H Skyraider Source: https://www.italeri.com/prodotto/2780 V.P. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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