Daco F-15C Lakenheath, what years are depicted on the sheet?

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I have the above referenced decals, and I know very little about F-15’s. What year or years do these decals depict?  The paint is mod C, and they are pre MSIP.  But what approximate calendar years should these be depicting?  Here is the link, http://www.dacoproducts.com/KAst01.php.  These are for my Tamiya 1:32 F-15C.

[Murph]

AFAIK, by the time C models showed up at Lakenheath they were MSIP jets.

 

Regards,

Murph

[is it windy yet?]

23 minutes ago, Murph said:

AFAIK, by the time C models showed up at Lakenheath they were MSIP jets.

 

Regards,

Murph

Oh sugar. See I don’t know much about F-15’s. There are no notes in the instructions.  The decal placement guide, which can and may be wrong do not depict the long raked back antenna under the nose.  I always thought that antenna indicated MSIP. I might be too far along to change things up now. Thanks for your knowledgeable insights Murph. 

[Murph]

4 minutes ago, is it windy yet? said:

The decal placement guide, which can and may be wrong do not depict the long raked back antenna under the nose.  I always thought that antenna indicated MSIP.

MSIP jets have been around since the mid-80s.  The change to the "swept" blade antennas is due to a change in the part itself.  They're replaced as they wear out or break, so many jets have a mix of the new swept antennas and the old square ones.  The F-18 fleet has been doing the same thing.

 

Regards,

Murph

[Phantome]

On 1/23/2019 at 4:08 PM, is it windy yet? said:

Oh sugar. See I don’t know much about F-15’s. There are no notes in the instructions.  The decal placement guide, which can and may be wrong do not depict the long raked back antenna under the nose.  I always thought that antenna indicated MSIP. I might be too far along to change things up now. Thanks for your knowledgeable insights Murph. 

The main physical changes between MSIP and non-MSIP jets are

 

1) a tiny rounded sensor at the top of the nose, just behind the radome

 

https://images01.military.com/sites/default/files/media/equipment/military-aircraft/f-15-eagle/2014/02/f-15-eagle_001.jpg

 

2) The exposed arresting hook

 

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/7b75ecda.jpg?w=625&h=620

 

3) A radar warning receiver on the starboard tip of the rear fuselage (right next to the trailing edge of the stabilizer)

 

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f15/f15_15.jpg

 

compare with non-MSIP bird:

 

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ee9865c5857cbfb5acee50cf143d5e52-c

 

Not sure if all three were installed simultaneously, as someone else mentioned, the antennae were changed independently and by themselves do not indicate whether an aircraft is MSIP or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 10, 2019 by Phantome

[Murph]

On ‎2‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 6:13 PM, Phantome said:

The main physical changes between MSIP and non-MSIP jets are

 

1) a tiny rounded sensor at the top of the nose, just behind the radome

 

https://images01.military.com/sites/default/files/media/equipment/military-aircraft/f-15-eagle/2014/02/f-15-eagle_001.jpg

 

2) The exposed arresting hook

 

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/7b75ecda.jpg?w=625&h=620

 

3) A radar warning receiver on the starboard tip of the rear fuselage (right next to the trailing edge of the stabilizer)

 

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f15/f15_15.jpg

 

compare with non-MSIP bird:

 

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ee9865c5857cbfb5acee50cf143d5e52-c

 

Not sure if all three were installed simultaneously, as someone else mentioned, the antennae were changed independently and by themselves do not indicate whether an aircraft is MSIP or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From a modeling POV, the only two changes for MSIP were the ability to carry the AMRAAM and the PACS Panel in the cockpit.  Everything else was a part of different upgrades that preceded, were concurrent with, or followed MSIP even though modelers often roll them into the MSIP upgrades. 

 

Regards,

Murph

[Phantome]

On 2/16/2019 at 1:42 PM, Murph said:

From a modeling POV, the only two changes for MSIP were the ability to carry the AMRAAM and the PACS Panel in the cockpit.  Everything else was a part of different upgrades that preceded, were concurrent with, or followed MSIP even though modelers often roll them into the MSIP upgrades. 

 

Regards,

Murph

 

But that too was added on a rolling basis. The first MSIP bird was rolled out in 1985, and yet the first incorporation (hastily) of the AMRAAM took place in the dying days of the Gulf War, without it being fired.

 

I think the mistake is assuming that MSIP represents a variant of a F-15, when in fact it's a program of gradual improvement and that at any given point in time, aircraft may have had some of these improvements but not all.

 

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f15_25.html

 

 

 

[Murph]

7 hours ago, Phantome said:

 

But that too was added on a rolling basis. The first MSIP bird was rolled out in 1985, and yet the first incorporation (hastily) of the AMRAAM took place in the dying days of the Gulf War, without it being fired.

 

I think the mistake is assuming that MSIP represents a variant of a F-15, when in fact it's a program of gradual improvement and that at any given point in time, aircraft may have had some of these improvements but not all.

 

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f15_25.html

 

 

 

My definition comes directly from the Dash-34.  There were defined improvements that made an F-15A/B/C/D a MSIP F-15A/B/C/D jet; most of them internal, and the official USAF documentation clearly differentiates between them.  The two I listed above were the only ones that would concern a modeler.

 

Regards,

Murph