Rickoshea52 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Sturmovik said: I hope you have enough money for new clothes, and enough space on your luggage to carry them back. Actually I am very pleased to have my bag delivered to my hotel in Dayton OH within 36 hours so well done to BA/AA. I only had to buy a few replacement items and my company will cover that so no big deal in the end. Now I can look forward to enjoying a weekend at Wright-Paterson and searching for those elusive Pledge Klear floor polish bottles. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickoshea52 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said: That's not great.. Let's hope they don't back date the lost baggage compensation rate to the 1971 BOAC amount either? I must admit, I'm quite a fan of these retro schemes and a nice set of 1/200 or 1/400 die cast airlines would make a lovely collection. It will be interesting to see what Qantas does when we turn 100 in November 2020. Unlike BA, I doubt there will be any recognition of the merged / absorbed TAA (Trans Australia Airlines), which is a little sad given its significance to the success of domestic aviation in Australia. Anyway, this thread is about BA and its proud history - so kudos to them, well done. Cheers.. Dave They offered me a paltry £1 2s7d as compo! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent K Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) On 2/15/2019 at 10:10 AM, Eric Mc said: Yep - that's how I've equated it over the years. It's like saying I'm 95 because my mother was born in 1924. BA should be challenged on their made up 1919 birth. Why? Should I tell Alex to repaint the retro jets back as a member of the Britmodeller community challenges BA on it? get a life people, it's the 100th anniversary of BA which has been formed and made up over the years of a number of airlines and predecessor companies coming together. Get out more, enjoy it for what it is, and enjoy seeing those retro jets. I will however be talking to the commander of the 48FW for painting his F15’s in heritage schemes when we all know the original were operated by the USAAC and not the USAF, and ask him to paint them back……….. Edited March 8, 2019 by Agent K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Agent K said: Why? Should I tell Alex to repaint the retro jets back as a member of the Britmodeller community challenges BA on it? get a life people, it's the 100th anniversary of BA which has been formed and made up over the years of a number of airlines and predecessor companies coming together. Get out more, enjoy it for what it is, and enjoy seeing those retro jets. I will however be talking to the commander of the 48FW for painting his F15’s in heritage schemes when we all know the original were operated by the USAAC and not the USAF, and ask him to paint them back……….. No need to be aggressive about it. BA didn't exist until 1 April 1974. That is the legal birth of the entity that we know as BA. That is a fact. It can trace its ancestry further - as can I. But it doesn't make me 250 years old. And it doesn't make BA 100 years old. I like the retro jets. It's a great dose of nostalgia for me. But even BA would struggle to find a 100 year old BA colour scheme (unlike KLM). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stringbag Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 9 hours ago, Eric Mc said: BA didn't exist until 1 April 1974. That is the legal birth of the entity that we know as BA. That is a fact. It can trace its ancestry further - as can I. But it doesn't make me 250 years old. And it doesn't make BA 100 years old. I like the retro jets. It's a great dose of nostalgia for me. But even BA would struggle to find a 100 year old BA colour scheme (unlike KLM). My thoughts exactly Eric. 👍 Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomohawk Kid Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, Agent K said: Why? Should I tell Alex to repaint the retro jets back as a member of the Britmodeller community challenges BA on it? get a life people, it's the 100th anniversary of BA which has been formed and made up over the years of a number of airlines and predecessor companies coming together. Why? Because they are not a 100 years old, its a simple fact they came into being on the 31st. March. 1974 and the current company has nothing whatsoever to do with what was flying in 1919. I'm enjoying the retro liveries, like most on here, but BA you are not a 100 years old! Tommo Edited March 9, 2019 by The Tomohawk Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomohawk Kid Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Eric Mc said: No need to be aggressive about it. BA didn't exist until 1 April 1974. That is the legal birth of the entity that we know as BA. That is a fact. It can trace its ancestry further - as can I. But it doesn't make me 250 years old. And it doesn't make BA 100 years old. I like the retro jets. It's a great dose of nostalgia for me. But even BA would struggle to find a 100 year old BA colour scheme (unlike KLM). I posted my reply before I saw yours Eric, well said. My feelings are its disingenuous of BA towards KLM and Qantas who both shortly will be able to say they are indeed a 100 years old. Tommo. Edited March 9, 2019 by The Tomohawk Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I expect the reason why BA hasn't indulged in retro schemes before (apart from one 757 ) is precisely because of their fairly short existence and dilemmas as to what schemes they should pick to commemorate. I would love them to select a few Imperial/Cambrian/BKS/Northeast schemes as well. To me, the BA 100 anniversary should not be so much about the celebration of 100 years of BA (which is nonsense) but 100 years of the start of the BA family tree. In a way, the fact that they have chosen BEA and BOAC schemes as part of that celebration is a nod in that direction and I applaud that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedders Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) Really love that BOAC scheme. But 100 years of BA? It's a corporate lie about as laughable as it is insulting. Justin Edited March 9, 2019 by Bedders 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomohawk Kid Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Eric Mc said: I would love them to select a few Imperial/Cambrian/BKS/Northeast schemes as well. To me, the BA 100 anniversary should not be so much about the celebration of 100 years of BA (which is nonsense) but 100 years of the start of the BA family tree. To me its the 100th anniversary of British commercial aviation, not BA. Good grief BA was only incorporated in 1983. Tommo. Edited March 9, 2019 by The Tomohawk Kid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthewbacon Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 It’s 100 years of direct corporate lineage, so I think it’s pretty fair, personally... best, M. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomohawk Kid Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bedders said: Really love that BOAC scheme. But 100 years of BA? It's a corporate lie about as laughable as it is insulting. Justin Agreed. To me it seems BA have a PR Dept and/or a company out of control. I would be curious to know how much BA paid the Bowie Estate for nano second of a clip in their current ad? It is well known Bowie hated flying and in the earlier years of his success he used to go to extraordinary length not fly, including crossing the Atlantic by ship and touring the US in a Winniebago camper. In his later years he even appeared in a Cunard advert FoC. Someone has not done their homework. Tommo. Edited March 9, 2019 by The Tomohawk Kid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomohawk Kid Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, cmatthewbacon said: It’s 100 years of direct corporate lineage, so I think it’s pretty fair, personally... best, M. The issue is there is no corporate lineage, between BA and what went before April 1974. Tommo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26Decals Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Landor rolled out 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedders Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Tomohawk Kid said: To me it seems BA have a PR Dept and/or a company out of control. If only they would change that music - dull dull dull. With 500 years of genuine history, more classical tunes are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, The Tomohawk Kid said: To me its the 100th anniversary of British commercial aviation, not BA. Good grief BA was only incorporated in 1983. Tommo. It can all get a bit technical. BA as an entity came into being on 1 April 1974. Before that it simply didn't exist at all. However, in 1969 a review board had been set up to ascertain if the amalgamation of BEA and BOAC would be the right thing to do. The other area they were looking at was co-ordinating and streamlining the affairs of Cambrian Airways and Northeast Airways. This committee was called the British Airways Board and they presided over discussions with unions and management prior to the actual merger which eventually happened on 1 April 1974. Of course, between 1974 and 1987 BA was state owned. It was (eventually) privatised in 1987 after 6 years of wrangling and false starts. The switch to the Landor scheme happened in 1984 in anticipation of the move to privatisiation but that was delayed for three years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthewbacon Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Well, whatever the corporate entity, as far as I can see, the "family tree" of BA looks like this: So it's not unreasonable, IMHO, to claim that today's BA is the inheritor of a direct line of descent from three airlines that started operating in 1919: Daimler Airways, Handley Page Transport, and Instone, via Imperial Airways and BOAC. Clearly some of you will disagree, but given that it's delivering some nice looking airliners for people to model, I'm not sure why the subject is generating such ire... best, M. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedders Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Hmm, I'm not so sure. Under this principle BAE Systems could claim to be 100 years old because it has links back to the Army Balloon Factory. In my book, a name is a name, and once you change it, you take the consequences of that decision and can't later go back and say that the change never happened. Justin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomohawk Kid Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, cmatthewbacon said: Well, whatever the corporate entity, as far as I can see, the "family tree" of BA looks like this: So it's not unreasonable, IMHO, to claim that today's BA is the inheritor of a direct line of descent from three airlines that started operating in 1919: Daimler Airways, Handley Page Transport, and Instone, via Imperial Airways and BOAC. Clearly some of you will disagree, but given that it's delivering some nice looking airliners for people to model, I'm not sure why the subject is generating such ire... best, M. Without wishing to be rude in the slightest, the above is exremely simplistic and there is zero linkages in some cases and some huge disconnects that are missing from the above 'family' tree. It not generating ire, its just wrong plain wrong of BA to claim what they are claiming. Yes, they can say it's a 100 years of British commercial avaition, no its not a 100 years of BA. Tommo. Edited March 9, 2019 by The Tomohawk Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthewbacon Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, then... best, M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The family tree is missing many, many branches. Where's Air Transport and Travel? Where's Railway Air Services - a really significant pre-war airline (and an important precursor to what became BEA)? Did you know that Aer Lingus was started as a joint venture between the Irish government and Railway Air Services and that BEA later inherited the Railway Air Services shareholding. Therefore, Aer Lingus should be part of the BA family tree as well. Indeed, now that BA and Aer Lingus are part of the IAG, they have rejoined the fold, so to speak - so they should be in the tree between 1936 and about 1961 and then back in again from the 2014. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinK Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 18 hours ago, The Tomohawk Kid said: Without wishing to be rude in the slightest, the above is exremely simplistic and there is zero linkages in some cases and some huge disconnects that are missing from the above 'family' tree. Blame it on the software he used to produce it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I thought it was appropriately "retro" given the topic title. More of same - I say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BA777 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I saw the Landor 747 yesterday and the BEA A319, they do look good!!! Also saw the retro Aer Lingus too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 On 3/6/2019 at 10:18 PM, JohnT said: I don’t suppose BA could be persuaded to paint the whole fleet in those colours and revert name to BOAC? No? Just a fleeting thought. Hahh fleeting thought. Like the whole fleet🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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