Exkiwiforces Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) As you maybe aware that I’m currently building a J Destroyer atm. I was rechecking to make sure I had all the right paints to start painting sometime this week when the Monsoon finally arrives and I have a couple of questions. 1. Medium Dark Grey is listed as “Colourcoats M16” I can’t find in reference for it as Sovereign Colourcoats Website is down atm. Are they meaning Colourcoats RN02- 507B Medium Grey? 2. G45 “Colourcoats RN14” is that referring to G45 Warm Grey or G45 Light Grey/ 507C? 3. Would Humbrol 153 Matt Red, be a good substitute for Colourcoats Red? 4. Would Humbrol 33 Matt Black, be good substitute for Colourcoats Black? Cheers, EXF Edited January 22, 2019 by Exkiwiforces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Jamie of Colour Coats has done some thorough research into the real RN wartime colours, with the result that he has produced an almost entirely new range of these labelled NRNxx. Which doesn't help you much here I'm afraid, until Jamie recovers from the fire. The new range does include a medium grey between 507A and 507C. The true 507B was not a medium colour but glossy 507A. I suspect that you are right that the original intention was RN02. If you can't wait until CC are back up and running you can simply use the old range of 507A/B/C in the knowledge that many other excellent models are painted in the same way. Or at least wait until Jamie or someone else provides a more satisfactory answer, as I hope they will soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exkiwiforces Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 21 hours ago, Graham Boak said: Jamie of Colour Coats has done some thorough research into the real RN wartime colours, with the result that he has produced an almost entirely new range of these labelled NRNxx. Which doesn't help you much here I'm afraid, until Jamie recovers from the fire. The new range does include a medium grey between 507A and 507C. The true 507B was not a medium colour but glossy 507A. I suspect that you are right that the original intention was RN02. If you can't wait until CC are back up and running you can simply use the old range of 507A/B/C in the knowledge that many other excellent models are painted in the same way. Or at least wait until Jamie or someone else provides a more satisfactory answer, as I hope they will soon. Cheers Graham, Thanks for the advice, I’m currently using old stock of Colourcoats as I need to keep the Minister of Finance on side atm and I’m not sure if Glen from Creative Models has the new Colourcoats products in atm. I was thinking last night, I have a book on “Very Special Ships” which I’m slowly building well I started over 18ths mths ago and I’m going to paint it late BPF colours so might have a look at the colour chart to see if there is a sort’ve match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Hi, M16 is the British Standard "Dark Admiralty Grey". It (or something very similar) may have been used on decks in WW2 and it may even have been derived from the neutral greys used by the Royal Navy until the late 1920s - it's difficult to positively tie them together however and I'm not keen on conjecture without evidence. RN14 was the coffee/khaki coloured "G45" which was clearly derived from a yellowed linseed oil base old sample. G45 is best represented by our current NARN22 but as with most of our dealers, my investment in the Royal Navy range appears to have defacto ended our relationships with them because on our Dutch dealer has restocked since their introduction. This means that correct British naval colours are only available to mainland British customers and anyone who was able to get Michiel's stock from Naval Models. If you have an RN03 tin labelled 507C/G45, it's close enough though. We did tweak NARN22 a little more but that's more my pedantry at work and a desire to get them bang on once and for all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exkiwiforces Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: Hi, M16 is the British Standard "Dark Admiralty Grey". It (or something very similar) may have been used on decks in WW2 and it may even have been derived from the neutral greys used by the Royal Navy until the late 1920s - it's difficult to positively tie them together however and I'm not keen on conjecture without evidence. RN14 was the coffee/khaki coloured "G45" which was clearly derived from a yellowed linseed oil base old sample. G45 is best represented by our current NARN22 but as with most of our dealers, my investment in the Royal Navy range appears to have defacto ended our relationships with them because on our Dutch dealer has restocked since their introduction. This means that correct British naval colours are only available to mainland British customers and anyone who was able to get Michiel's stock from Naval Models. If you have an RN03 tin labelled 507C/G45, it's close enough though. We did tweak NARN22 a little more but that's more my pedantry at work and a desire to get them bang on once and for all. Cheers Jamie and thank you for your advice. I’ve got plenty of your old stock which have used up before I check with Glen at Creative Models if he is getting in your more up dated products. What would be your closet colour in your old range to “Dark Admiralty Grey” as I have all your current shades of RN Grey’s as I haven’t heard of this particular shade “Dark Admiralty Grey” before? As this is the only colour tripping me up atm. Please keep up the good work Jamie, including your staff, as I found your research to be quite enjoyable reading and I hope the fire who had just recently hasn’t set you back? Cheers, EXF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Hi, M16 is/was the product code. We haven't changed that colour. It is BS381C-632 Dark Admiralty Grey. It was in the earliest BS381 edition as -32, but it was called Dark Battleship Grey at that point. The published colourspace figures have changed slightly since its first introduction but it's always been a medium-dark toned neutral grey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exkiwiforces Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 21 hours ago, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said:Hi, M16 is/was the product code. We haven't changed that colour. It is BS381C-632 Dark Admiralty Grey. It was in the earliest BS381 edition as -32, but it was called Dark Battleship Grey at that point. The published colourspace figures have changed slightly since its first introduction but it's always been a medium-dark toned neutral grey. Cheers Jamie, I only realised this morning ASCT that I was looking in the wrong place for “Dark Admiralty Grey” and I’ve ordered two tins from Glen at Creative Models. Please keep up the good work you and staff are doing. Cheers, EXF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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