Courageous Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) After building a number of Sabres, I thought it was about time I built myself an Avon Sabre. The Avon Sabre was based on the then current F-86F with the slatted wing but was fitted with the more powerful Rolls Royce powerplant and this required an extension change to the fuselage. This book came in handy for this and future builds. So to kick things off, I'll be using the Tasman Conversion set alongside the Academy F-86E Kit. I have been told that the Tasman conversion isn't the best route to go but as I have a number of them, I'll be using them. Tasman's fuselage halves and intake. Look at those sprue gates, I'll need to take my time and be careful or I'll be making work for myself. ...and Academy's fuselage sprue...not much difference eh. You may be wondering why I'm showing you this sprue if it isn't used. Well, Aussie Sabres are normally parked with the brakes open and as the Tasman's offering is molded closed, the plan is to swap the tail sections . Academy's wing sprue. Work to be on these will be to backdate the wing to pre 6-3 conversion and to remove the flaps as again, these were often deployed when on ground. Main sprue with everything else. Canopies. The Tasman kit comes with a Vac canopy and although it is lovely and clear, it's closed and I like my aircraft canopies open...unless they're hanging from the ceiling. The middle canopy is Hobbycraft and the top is Academy... we'll see. Decals will be sorted later, hopefully. So, that's it for now and I'll start proper when the Vampire is finished. Stuart Edited January 18, 2019 by Courageous 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hacker Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 l recognized the molding of the E Sabre. I think it is not Hasegawa but an old Hobbycraft kit being molded by Academy. l could be wrong but l had that kit as at the time was l think the only one in 1/72 scale with slates hacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Might tag along on this build, i like my sabres. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 hours ago, hacker said: l recognized the molding of the E Sabre. I think it is not Hasegawa but an old Hobbycraft kit being molded by Academy. l could be wrong but l had that kit as at the time was l think the only one in 1/72 scale with slates You are correct Hacker, it is the Academy kit...it says so on the box, doh! 3 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Might tag along on this build, i like my sabres. Never enough Sabres. Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Good luck with this Stuart. Look forward to watching this develop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Nice choice Stuart but check your references closely. I think production Avon Sabres had the non slated 6/3 wing. Not sure I understand your comment re pre 6/3 wing but you are right to remove the slats. A good source of reference here http://web.archive.org/web/20120929230942/http://f-86.tripod.com/wings.html Also found this picture on the net which explains more......... Hope this helps. Terry 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisTheBear Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I think I'll tag along (time permitting) as I have one of the conversion sets too (not the one your using). DennisTheBear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 On 17/01/2019 at 23:41, Courageous said: Look at those sprue gates ...they look a bit ...chunky!!!| On 17/01/2019 at 23:41, Courageous said: as I have a number of them ...were they a present by your worst enemy??? ...well...good luck!!! It'll turn out to be intersting! I'm in!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumbum Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Always wondered about Avon Sabres. I have built NA and Canadair but was always curious about these. Will be watching.---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 On 1/24/2019 at 4:51 PM, Terry1954 said: I think production Avon Sabres had the non slated 6/3 wing. Welcome aboard Terry. Pre 6-3 is a slatted wing which the Mk30 started with. These were later modified by ridding the slats thus making it a hard wing with fences, this is the 6-3 wing and changed the Avon to a Mk.31. On 1/24/2019 at 7:43 PM, DennisTheBear said: I think I'll tag along (time permitting) as I have one of the conversion sets too (not the one your using). Welcome aboard Dennis. On 1/24/2019 at 7:59 PM, Massimo said: ...well...good luck!!! It'll turn out to be intersting! I'm in!!! Welcome aboard Massimo. Chunky gates indeed, care will be taken. Sorry to disappoint you Masimo but I bought them myself. Only time will tell how good/ bad they're but we're meant to be modelers after all. On 1/24/2019 at 8:44 PM, Johnv said: Always wondered about Avon Sabres. I have built NA and Canadair but was always curious about these. Will be watching.---John Welcome John. I thought it was about time I built an Avon and their will be some things to try, dropped flaps, open air brakes... Shouldn't be too long before I start on this, just got to finish some current stuff. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) Sorry Stuart, I just saw this. An excellent project. I love the more brutish look of the CAC Sabres, as I do the H-model too (wishing there was a decent and accurate kit ). Good luck! The sprue you showed looks pretty much as my one did. Martin Edited February 7, 2019 by RidgeRunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Hello Stuart, I'll follow if you Don't mind Great idea, this resin kit look good. On 1/24/2019 at 5:51 PM, Terry1954 said: Nice choice Stuart but check your references closely. I think production Avon Sabres had the non slated 6/3 wing. Not sure I understand your comment re pre 6/3 wing but you are right to remove the slats. A good source of reference here http://web.archive.org/web/20120929230942/http://f-86.tripod.com/wings.html Also found this picture on the net which explains more......... Hope this helps. Terry Thanks Terry, I'll save it ! Simple and straight !! Sincerely. CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 11 hours ago, Courageous said: Pre 6-3 is a slatted wing which the Mk30 started with. These were later modified by ridding the slats thus making it a hard wing with fences, this is the 6-3 wing and changed the Avon to a Mk.31. Ah yes, the earlier ones did start with the pre 6-3. So are you doing an early Avon? Mine was later type. That Tasman conversion is a good start, but much buthery was required on mine as I used a very early Hasegawa as a starting point!: Terry 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Further references @Courageous, although you may have seen this. Seems like a pretty comprehensive list of Avon Sabre production serials, giving actual details of each of the first 22 Mk 30's. http://www.adf-serials.com.au/2a94.htm Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 1 hour ago, RidgeRunner said: An excellent project. Welcome aboard Martin. I have a brutish 'H' in the stash, one day. 1 hour ago, corsaircorp said: I'll follow if you Don't mind Take a pew CC. 16 minutes ago, Terry1954 said: Ah yes, the earlier ones did start with the pre 6-3. So are you doing an early Avon? Yes an early version, a Mk.30, the 6-3 wing made it a Mk.31. I have never been phased by a bad kit, have never put a build in the bin and don't have a 'doom' shelf, I just get on with it the best I can. That link has been on my laptop for some time, very useful and I'm also on the Aussie Modeller International forum to get their help. Stuart 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 With the Vampire now finished, thought it was about time I got going on this baby. A good a place to start than any. Slats and flaps marked out prior to cutting. Pa Parts removed from wing parts (sorry for blurriness) My starting position with this technique, is to mark a 2mm on the inboard end of the slats, so creating a fine wedge. Lower slats marked up for plastic removal. Look at the state of that tail, another good reason for 'losing' the tail section and replacing it with Academy parts, just have to make sure of the best cutting position. ...and look at those sprue gates. Stuart 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Hmmmm..... Some of the reasons why I opted to blend the lower jaw of the intake from my Tasman in to the nicely moulded Fujimi ;). See my posting for a photo of where I made the surgery..... Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 8 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: See my posting for a photo of where I made the surgery..... Can you point me to your thread please? Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Good start Stuart. This thread is giving me nightmares as it reminds me of the butchery that took place on both the Tasman fuselage and the donor Hasegawa kit! Keep at it! Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Terry1954 said: Good start Stuart. This thread is giving me nightmares as it reminds me of the butchery that took place on both the Tasman fuselage and the donor Hasegawa kit! Don't sleep...no nightmares...more modelling. Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Where was we, oh yeah, wings. After removing the fillet of plastic on the long mating face, it was time for a trial fit to the wing. At this stage, I also remembered that approx 1mm needed to be removed from the inboard short edge. With that done, the lower slats were cemented to the lower wing and left to dry before reinforcing the joints. We now enter the world of the unknown, for me anyway, Time to think about removing the Tasman tail section and the line was drawn just forward of the speed brake doors. The same line was drawn on the Academy tail section as it will be replacing the Tasman bit. Out with saw and off with the tails. The tail sections were then sanded back to the air brake boxes. The fuselage ends were also sanded back to achieve a best fit with the tails and to maintain scale length of aircraft. The fuselage having no location pins will now have to be treated like vacforms and plastic tags added along the joins. Sp far so good. Stuart 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Good going Stuart, Your idea of the tail substitution looks to be an excellent one. I was concerned that there'd be a mismatch in height between the two fuselages, but it seems to be negligible or non-existent. Well done! Andrew. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 14 hours ago, Courageous said: Can you point me to your thread please? Stuart Here you go, Stuart @Courageous Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 57 minutes ago, Andrew said: Your idea of the tail substitution looks to be an excellent one. I was concerned that there'd be a mismatch in height between the two fuselages, but it seems to be negligible or non-existent. Well done! Cheers Andrew. As for a mismatch, we'll see when I mate the tail with the fuselage. Shouldn't be too difficult to get rid of if their is a mismatch. Cheers @RidgeRunner. Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 You are welcome, Stuart. The Fujimi, like the Academy/Hobbycraft, offers at least some refinement over the Tasman offering. The panel lines are nicely done, for example. My attempt was to preserve as much of that as possible by incorporating as little of the Tasman as I could. It isn't too bad, actually. Good luck with yours Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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