mike c Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Just added to my Telford shopping list as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonhoff Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Picked one up from Telford - Looks nice! IanJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Review here thanks to @dora Julien 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Schilhart Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) I did some research on the color options provided in the kit, and there seem to be some discrepancies between the instructions and my references. Marking option #2, V9287, is listed as an aircraft of No.161(SD) squadron based in Tempsford, in 1942. An original photograph of this aircraft can be found in Aeroplane magazine, September 2012, page 68. The photograph shows a different color demarcation between the upper and lower colors - the Black starts just beneath the cockpit, not at the bottom of the aircraft: According to the article in Aeroplane magazine, "this Lysander never served with an operational squadron". The all-black option (MA-B, V9367) did see operational service, indeed, with 161. Squadron. Instructions suggest this aircraft was based at Tempsford AB in 1944. This interferes with the information in the Aeroplane article, which claims that this aircraft was wrecked on December 17, 1943, on approach to Tangmere from an SOE operation. The Aeroplane article also features an original photograph of V9289 of 357. Squadron in Burma, which seems to be correct related to the instructions. Edited December 22, 2019 by Roman Schilhart typo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalea Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Still awaiting the opportunity to buy on of these. Modelling budget now used up and still don't know how much this will cost me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornet133 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 'I still don't know how much this will cost me' Answer a LOT. Metro Hobbies have it listed as A$53.99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Roman Schilhart said: According to the article in Aeroplane magazine, "this Lysander (V9287) never served with an operational squadron". Exactly what you'd expect from SOE use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 11 hours ago, Roman Schilhart said: I did some research on the color options provided in the kit, and there seem to be some discrepancies between the instructions and my references. Theres five No.161 Squadron Lysander decal options on this DK decals sheet, although the specific serials and dates are not listed. Cheers.. Dave 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Schilhart Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said: Theres five No.161 Squadron Lysander decal options on this DK decals sheet, although the specific serials and dates are not listed. Cheers.. Dave I've already ordered, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said: decal options on this DK decals sheet Whats the story/info of the bottom Boston/Havoc MA*Z ? It looks like overall grey ? Edited December 23, 2019 by Corsairfoxfouruncle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Option #3, MA-G, is the aircraft which carried Noor Inayat Khan, Agent MADELEINE, to France, her death, and a posthumous George Cross. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 17 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Whats the story/info of the bottom Boston/Havoc MA*Z ? It looks like overall grey ? Was wondering that as well and if it was grey or silver/natural metal. 15 hours ago, Procopius said: Option #3, MA-G, is the aircraft which carried Noor Inayat Khan, Agent MADELEINE, to France, her death, and a posthumous George Cross. Thank you Edward. It's worth remembering the machines we model also had a human story attached to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, Col. said: Was wondering that as well and if it was grey or silver/natural metal. There is a relevant thread here which might be worth reviving if anyone has further info on this machine. Some say PRU Blue, one might also take a swing with Medium Sea Grey in the absence of better ideas. At least it's reasonably effective both day and night at the sort of heights the A-20 works well at. Edited December 25, 2019 by Work In Progress 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) On 22/12/2019 at 21:06, Rabbit Leader said: Theres five No.161 Squadron Lysander decal options on this DK decals sheet, although the specific serials and dates are not listed. Very interesting set of decals, with "another" Albemarle, transport Wellington and early Bostons! Thank you for sharing Regards J-W Edited December 26, 2019 by Julien dont quote pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 The special duties Lysander with invasion stripes is a bit odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, wombat said: The special duties Lysander with invasion stripes is a bit odd It does, indeed. JR codes are 161 (Special Duties) Squadron out of Tempsford but the relatively hi-viz scheme is not their usual thing for groping about in the night with the Lizzie. If you want a wild speculation, perhaps that particular airframe was not one they used for the usual SOE type activities but one dragged out of the back of a hangar somewhere and brought up to SD spec with the big tank and ladder in anticipation of air taxi work across the channel in the immediate aftermath of D-Day for various officer types (which would presumably be daytime ops to Allied-held areas, but still needing to operate off beaches or other unprepared landing grounds) Edited December 27, 2019 by Work In Progress 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I’ll reread We Landed By Moonlight and see if it gives a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 An index check and skim read yields no mention of invasion stripes. However a Lysander was shot down by friendly fire while flying over the Normandy bridgehead in early July 1944, so it’s conceivable the squadron might have adopted the stripes in response to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Anyone intending to fly over or near the bridgeheads in early July 1944 should have been wearing the stripes already, and we can assume therefore that 161 had been assigned such a duty.for which they were using that specific aircraft. Of course, simply wearing invasion stripes in no way guaranteed you wouldn't get shot at by friendlies, especially naval friendlies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I don’t recall ever seeing stripes on a night-schemed aircraft though, which is why it caught my eye. Also just noticed it’s on fuselage only, which is another oddity. no detail of which aircraft was the one lost though it squadron records exist it might be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Some discussion of the stripey Lysander on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike romeo Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 On 12/28/2019 at 7:58 PM, wombat said: I don’t recall ever seeing stripes on a night-schemed aircraft though, which is why it caught my eye. Also just noticed it’s on fuselage only, which is another oddity. no detail of which aircraft was the one lost though it squadron records exist it might be there. Hi Wombat, Not a Lysander, but some Albemarles and Stirlings had stripes. Does the BC finish count as a night finish? Some Mossie intruders had stripes, which is a similar scheme to the Lizzie. Also didn't some all-black Swordfishes and P-61s have stripes? Regards Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Glider tug Stirlings would have been around in daytime too...though now you mention it a stripey mozzie rings a bell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnl42 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Mushroom's Westland Lysander by James Kightly has a contemporaneous picture of JR-P documenting fuselage stripes but no wing stripes. The caption reads: Quote The only known Special Duties Lysander III to wear black and white invasion stripes on the fuselage but not on the wings. The actual serial has been overpainted leaving the red codes JR-P denoting No.161 Squadron A flight. It was generally flown by Flying Officer 'Lucky' Newhouse whose story is contained in the text. (via R.L.Ward) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, dnl42 said: Mushroom's Westland Lysander by James Kightly has a contemporaneous picture of JR-P documenting fuselage stripes but no wing stripes. The caption reads: I managed to get my name in the acknowledgements of that book. A definite high point in an otherwise unexceptional existence. Chris 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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