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Super Etendard Falklands "wot " it carried ?


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24 minutes ago, LaurieS said:

Thanks Unc2. I assume you were involved with the Etendard in some way ?

Laurie, I wish I were involved. My uncle served in the Armada, but he'd fly the A-4Q during the war. Thank the Heavens above, he survived that war.

I was a three-year-old toddler when the war broke, and then I tried to become a fighter jock in the Air Force owing to those outstanding war accounts I'd use to hear from him whenever he dropped in on for a visit, dinner, lunch. I was always happy to have him around the house.

 

30 minutes ago, LaurieS said:

A thing that you may help on. On the tail on the model there is a large gaping hole. This is in the area of the horizontal tail pieces.

 

I am depicting the model, with pilot, in the take of position. This according to Kinetic indicates that the horizontal parts on the tail ,

they call the stabilizers, will be pointing down with the flap on the stabilizer up at 30degrees. Hope that is clear !

 

Now when that is is in position on the model part of this hole, aperture better, will be partially seen ie you can see sky through the

aperture. Is this as it is in the real ? Why is this aperture there ?

The gaping hole in the tail is the mechanism on which the trim tab runs along; it's quite the same mechanism that you see in the A-4 Skyhawk. I'd take what Kinetic says with regard to the correct position of the trim tab and elevators with a grain of salt; I've got that kit and it's all relative.

For instance, IIRC, Kinetic says that the trim tab and elevators should be in the 0° angle when the aircraft is parked, and I've seen anything but that on the Argie SuEs when parked.

Check for yerself:

 

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The thing is electric, so when the power is shut down, the trim tab will tend to go all the way up. Thought this was a problem in the Argie birds (jocks reporting: "El compensador se fue todo para arriba"), but then I saw this happening on the French birds as well:

 

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In a take-off position, the trim tab should be all the way down and the elevators up.

Cheers,

 

Unc2

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1 hour ago, Uncle Uncool said:

Anything else you need, just whistle.

 

Cheers,

 

Unc2

 

Well, seeing as you are offering ... could you expand on your comment "whenever the missile was carried, the gun chasis also needed to be removed in order to accomodate the missile guidance systems in its place."?

 

Does that mean that the whole gun pack was removed and replaced with a guidance pack?  What did that look like?

 

Grateful for any comment you can offer

 

Thanks!!!

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3 minutes ago, Uncle Uncool said:

Laurie, I wish I were involved. My uncle served in the Armada, but he'd fly the A-4Q during the war. Thank the Heavens above, he survived that war.

I was a three-year-old toddler when the war broke, and then I tried to become a fighter jock in the Air Force owing to those outstanding war accounts I'd use to hear from him whenever he dropped in on for a visit, dinner, lunch. I was always happy to have him around the house.

 

The gaping hole in the tail is the mechanism on which the trim tab runs along; it's quite the same mechanism that you see in the A-4 Skyhawk. I'd take what Kinetic says with regard to the correct position of the trim tab and elevators with a grain of salt; I've got that kit and it's all relative.

For instance, IIRC, Kinetic says that the trim tab and elevators should be in the 0° angle when the aircraft is parked, and I've seen anything but that on the Argie SuEs when parked.

Check for yerself:

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is electric, so when the power is shut down, the trim tab will tend to go all the way up. Thought this was a problem in the Argie birds (jocks reporting: "El compensador se fue todo para arriba"), but then I saw this happening on the French birds as well:

 

 

 

In a take-off position, the trim tab should be all the way down and the elevators up.

Cheers,

 

Unc2

Thanks Uncle great info. Thank you very much for your time.

Laurie

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7 minutes ago, Vultures1 said:

Does that mean that the whole gun pack was removed and replaced with a guidance pack?  What did that look like?

That's affirm. The whole gun chasis (both cannons and the magazines) was removed and in its place was what ordies called "the suitcase", which was a datalink between the Agave radar on the nose of the aircraft and the seeker head on the missile, on which pilots had to pass all of the target's parameters prior to launching.

Honestly, I have ne'er seen one of those; what it looks like - not even in piccies, but I asume it's got to be some sort of a box the same size as the cannon chasis.

The suitcase had to be tuned by the Argie experts once the French personnel left the country after the embargo, weeks before the war. This tunning was made by mock attacks on a Type-42 frigate we acquired from Britain years before the war; the ARA Hércules. Jocks' job was trial and error until the suitcase said parameters for launching were correct.

 

16 minutes ago, LaurieS said:

Thanks Uncle great info. Thank you very much for your time.

Anytime, my mate! Please notice me when/if your WIP is started.

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Thanks Uncle, that's great info - much appreciated!

3 minutes ago, Uncle Uncool said:

That's affirm. The whole gun chasis (both cannons and the magazines) was removed and in its place was what ordies called "the suitcase", which was a datalink between the Agave radar on the nose of the aircraft and the seeker head on the missile, on which pilots had to pass all of the target's parameters prior to launching.

Honestly, I have ne'er seen one of those; what it looks like - not even in piccies, but I asume it's got to be some sort of a box the same size as the cannon chasis.

The suitcase had to be tuned by the Argie experts once the French personnel left the country after the embargo, weeks before the war. This tunning was made by mock attacks on a Type-42 frigate we acquired from Britain years before the war; the ARA Hércules. Jocks' job was trial and error until the suitcase said parameters for launching were correct.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Vultures1 said:

Thanks Uncle, that's great info - much appreciated!

My pleasure, Vultures, my bruh.

Cheers,

 

Unc2

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Type-42 ARA Hércules is a destroyer, not a frigate (silly me :confused: )

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On 31/01/2019 at 22:24, Vultures1 said:

Well, seeing as you are offering ... could you expand on your comment "whenever the missile was carried, the gun chasis also needed to be removed in order to accomodate the missile guidance systems in its place."?

 

Does that mean that the whole gun pack was removed and replaced with a guidance pack?  What did that look like?

 

Grateful for any comment you can offer

 

Thanks!!!

Hello,

 

You can find pictures of the gun pack :

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chassis_canon_Super_Étendard.jpg

 

http://ffaa.net/weapons/defa/images/defa-001.JPG

http://ffaa.net/weapons/defa/defa_fr.htm

 

More about the French Fleet Air Arm (in English) http://ffaa.net/version-english.htm

 

Hoping this can help.

Cheers.

AV O

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1 hour ago, exdraken said:

Is the gun pack the sane as used in the Mirage III?

There we are  :

 

DEFA 551 : Équipe le Mystère IV ;

DEFA 552 : Équipe les Dassault Super Mystère B2, Mirage III/5/50, Étendard IV et Super Étendard ;  (French Jaguar ?)

DEFA 553 : Equipe le Dassault Mirage F1 et l'Alpha Jet ;  ( French Jaguar ?)

DEFA 554 : Équipe le Mirage 2000.

 

in English:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFA_cannon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFA_cannon#/media/File:Canon_DEFA_MG_1359.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFA_cannon#/media/File:Canon_DEFA_MG_1462.JPG

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1 hour ago, AV O said:

There we are  :

 

DEFA 551 : Équipe le Mystère IV ;

DEFA 552 : Équipe les Dassault Super Mystère B2, Mirage III/5/50, Étendard IV et Super Étendard ;  (French Jaguar ?)

DEFA 553 : Equipe le Dassault Mirage F1 et l'Alpha Jet ;  ( French Jaguar ?)

DEFA 554 : Équipe le Mirage 2000.

 

in English:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFA_cannon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFA_cannon#/media/File:Canon_DEFA_MG_1359.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFA_cannon#/media/File:Canon_DEFA_MG_1462.JPG

Thanks!

But is the pack the same for the 552?

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9 hours ago, exdraken said:

But is the pack the same for the 552?

Yeh, it is. What part in:

 

10 hours ago, AV O said:

DEFA 552 : Équipe les Dassault Super Mystère B2, Mirage III/5/50, Étendard IV et Super Étendard

 

you still seem to have not been able to fathom, Werner? :bleh:

I was unable to get a single piccy of that darn "suitcase" yet. Thought I had one, but my sheila has erased the pen drive in which I think it was stored.

Then again, I'm not quite sure it was a piccy or a screen shot I made from one of the multiple episodes of "Malvinas: La Guerra desde el Aire" posted on YouTube. :hmmm: 

Will "keep searching, keep on searching, the search goes on, the search goes on; Frantic, tic, tic, tic, toc..."

Cheers,

 

Unc2

 

Edit: Here you are; ordies installing the "suitcase" in place of the cannon chassis.

 

3XThGkf.jpg

 

Not much to see, but you can check this video on YouTube; go to minute 24:15 to see how the cannon chassis is removed, as well as the starboard wing tank in order to install the missile and suitcase, respectively. Check the specialised missile pylon ridding on top of the missile pressurised canister.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Uncle Uncool said:

Yeh, it is. What part in:

 

 

you still seem to have not been able to fathom, Werner? :bleh:

I was unable to get a single piccy of that darn "suitcase" yet. Thought I had one, but my sheila has erased the pen drive in which I think it was stored.

Then again, I'm not quite sure it was a piccy or a screen shot I made from one of the multiple episodes of "Malvinas: La Guerra desde el Aire" posted on YouTube. :hmmm: 

Will "keep searching, keep on searching, the search goes on, the search goes on; Frantic, tic, tic, tic, toc..."

Cheers,

 

Unc2

 

Edit: Here you are; ordies installing the "suitcase" in place of the cannon chassis.

 

 

 

Not much to see, but you can check this video on YouTube; go to minute 24:15 to see how the cannon chassis is removed, as well as the starboard wing tank in order to install the missile and suitcase, respectively. Check the specialised missile pylon ridding on top of the missile pressurised canister.

 

 

 

 

 

 

very interesting informatino in this vid! thanks!

 

regarding the cannons.....

no actually still not fathomed ( new word for me :D )

 

the DEFA cannon is clear .. there are several marks 551-554.

my question was regarding the cannon PACKS! I assume these are not necessarily the same!, but could be! I guess you can insatll a DEFA 552 as a single gun as well.... but then, actually I do not know .....

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56 minutes ago, exdraken said:

my question was regarding the cannon packs, PACKS; PAAACKS!!!

:blink2: Oh, me fathoms... Sorry. Will try to find out with Capt. Augusto Bedacarratz. 

Hola, Werner, my mate in Austria. How's it going, bruh? If you need translation into English of any track on that vid, just ask, aye? It's quite awkward that Lt Hernan Machado were explaining things in English on the video, and his clear explanation were all covered by that Spanish-spoken bloke translating in off.

Yeh, it is...

Cheers,

 

Unc2

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On 2/2/2019 at 6:04 PM, Uncle Uncool said:

 

Edit: Here you are; ordies installing the "suitcase" in place of the cannon chassis.

 

3XThGkf.jpg

 

Not much to see, but you can check this video on YouTube; go to minute 24:15 to see how the cannon chassis is removed, as well as the starboard wing tank in order to install the missile and suitcase, respectively. Check the specialised missile pylon ridding on top of the missile pressurised canister.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great stuff!  Thanks for posting, Uncle.  That shows exactly what I was looking for

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