LaurieS Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Building the SUE. Some info required. Obviously carried the Exocet just one . ? Port or starboard & which pylon ? Presumably carried fuel pods both sides ?? Did it carry any other weapons or aids ? Advice mostly keenly accepted with thanks. Plus any other info on this aircraft used in the Falklands conflict (war). Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Hi Laurie You are correct in saying that the aircraft only carried a single Exocet missile on its starboard wing pylon balanced by a single external tank under the port wing; I think the aircraft may have also carried a smaller external tank under its fuselage centreline. The five aircraft delivered to Argentina before the start of the Falklands campaign were finished in the same scheme as the French Navy's aircraft: Gloss Dark Blue Grey (FS16176) upper surfaces and white under surfaces, they wore national markings in conventional locations and a stylised Argentine flag on the top of the fin and rudder. The individual aircraft's serial number (0751 to 0755) was applied to the fin in white characters and the corresponding unit code 3-A-201 to 3-A-205 was positioned mid-fuselage ahead of the "ARMADA" title; the last two digits of the code was repeated in white on the aircraft's nose ahead of the 2 Escuadrilla unit badge ahead of the nose. Three of the aircraft 02, 03 and 04 also wore "kill markings" on the nose. Source: Airfile Publication "Air War Over the Falklands" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Hi Richard indebted for your information. The aircraft will be part of a diorama for both British & Argentinian during the conflict. Do you know if the Etendard colours were changed form the French to Argentinian during the conflict ? Again many thanks for your info. Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, LaurieS said: Hi Richard indebted for your information. The aircraft will be part of a diorama for both British & Argentinian during the conflict. Do you know if the Etendard colours were changed form the French to Argentinian during the conflict ? Again many thanks for your info. Laurie Hi Laurie If I've understood you correctly, the aircraft wore a the same Gloss Dark Blue Grey and white colour scheme throughout the campaign 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Richard E said: Hi Laurie If I've understood you correctly, the aircraft wore a the same Gloss Dark Blue Grey and white colour scheme throughout the campaign Great information Thanks again Richard very much appreciated. Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturmovik Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 The SuEs were never repainted by Argentina, they remained in the Dark Blue Grey and white of the French Navy. I believe the new 5 modernised SuEs won't be repainted either. I wonder, can you get away with the camouflage by painting the upper fuselage with RAF extra dark sea grey? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, Sturmovik said: The SuEs were never repainted by Argentina, they remained in the Dark Blue Grey and white of the French Navy. I believe the new 5 modernised SuEs won't be repainted either. I wonder, can you get away with the camouflage by painting the upper fuselage with RAF extra dark sea grey? Thanks very much Sturmovik. Have actually got the Tamiya colour by comparing with an FS colour in another manufacturers paint. To be factual Kinetic have the right colours so good for them Thanks again much appreciated. Laurie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnie Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Are you using the Kinetic kit and decals? I believe I have the Kitty Hawk kit, and apparently the colors are wrong on some of the decals on that... Looking forward to seeing your build! Cheers H. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 Hi H Yes Kinetic. Will be part of a large diorama with all the British equipment used both in the in the air & on the ground in the Falklands. Plus Argentinian aircraft used. Finished late last year a similar one with all the aircraft & vehicles used in Afghanistan. 15 all British pieces plus an Afghan house. Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Winnie said: Are you using the Kinetic kit and decals? I believe I have the Kitty Hawk kit, and apparently the colors are wrong on some of the decals on that... Looking forward to seeing your build! Cheers H. Forgot to use "quote". Message is next one above This is the diorama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnie Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 wow..... Amazing! All in 48th as well? This is going to be epic then! Best Regards Harald 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Winnie said: wow..... Amazing! All in 48th as well? This is going to be epic then! Best Regards Harald Well I am 81 this year hope I have enough years in me. I will be darned annoyed if not. Cheers Harald Laurie 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I thnk also the elevators are partly painted with the blue/white flag! Looking forward to this! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, exdraken said: I thnk also the elevators are partly painted with the blue/white flag! Looking forward to this! Thanks Ex. All info taken in & used much appreciated. You have to delve as some of the Kit Manufacturers stuff is not accurate. Laurie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Macnaughton Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Laurie You might be interested in this thread on SUE stores load from a while back Francis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Francis Macnaughton said: Laurie You might be interested in this thread on SUE stores load from a while back Francis Very kind of you Francis. Confirms what I had but also gives a whole more info. Very much appreciated. Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/16/2019 at 2:26 PM, LaurieS said: Have actually got the Tamiya colour by comparing with an FS colour in another manufacturers paint. Laurie, I'm a Tamiya user. Which shade did you find for the SuE? Thanks in advance! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 8 hours ago, k5054nz said: Laurie, I'm a Tamiya user. Which shade did you find for the SuE? Thanks in advance! Waiting for delivery of a Hobby paint which is the FS number will then concoct a Tamiya to match. Will let you know the result. Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beppe Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Not a argentinian sué specialist, weren't they buddy refueled ? So a configuration with to gazbags and a buddy refueling pod might be possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, beppe said: Not a argentinian sué specialist, weren't they buddy refueled ? So a configuration with to gazbags and a buddy refueling pod might be possible. Thanks beppe. Found they carried a tank on the other wing to the Excoet plus a smaller tank under the belly. The kit is a Kinetic. First one for me. Not impressed with the instructions. The kit comes with a number of tanks & armaments but none are given a name. Kinetic seem determined not to give information. Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beppe Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 the buddy-buddy refuelling theory is wrong, they took fuel from a KC-130. i think the config was a exocet RH balanced by a 1100 L tank (the biggest one of the 2) LH and the centerline tank (same sprue as the exocet and the buddy refueling pod) Joseph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meindert Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 though I made an 1/72 Super Etendard kit, some ideas can be found in my modelling report page here: https://designer.home.xs4all.nl/models/gripen/gripen-2.htm#thail-gripen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 4 hours ago, meindert said: though I made an 1/72 Super Etendard kit, some ideas can be found in my modelling report page here: https://designer.home.xs4all.nl/models/gripen/gripen-2.htm#thail-gripen Thanks for the info. Your Etendard o2 looks the part. Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Uncool Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 SuE build! Me's in. Hi Laurie, mate. On 1/15/2019 at 6:20 PM, LaurieS said: Obviously carried the Exocet just one . ? Port or starboard & which pylon ? Just one; starboard pylon, which is a different pylon than those used by the wet ones. On 1/15/2019 at 6:20 PM, LaurieS said: Presumably carried fuel pods both sides ?? Just two tanks: one RP23 1100-litre tank on the underwing port pylon whenever the aircraft was loaded with the AM-39 missile on the starboard one, and an additional RP24 600-litre centreline tank). Here's a picture of 3-A-202 flown by then Frigate Capt. Alejandro Francisco while carrying the last AM-39 Exocet on inventory on the epic sortie of May the 30th, 1982 while refueling in route to the attack. Check that his SuE is carrying the RP23 1100-litre tank under the port wing pylon + an RP24 600-litre tank on the centreline pylon. Also check his wingman, 3-A-205 flown by Navy Lt. Luis Collavino, carrying the RP24/103 600-litre tanks on both underwing pylons + the RP24 600-litre tank on the centreline pylon 'cause he obviously was not carrying an Exocet missile on this sortie. On 1/15/2019 at 6:20 PM, LaurieS said: Did it carry any other weapons or aids ? Remember that whenever the missile was carried, the gun chasis also needed to be removed in order to accomodate the missile guidance systems in its place. Incidentally, no tanks were ever jettisoned throughout the war by SuEs. Just thought about posting this piccy on the fashion the tail surfaces were painted with the national flag and banner (gold, not yellow ), as pointed by mate Werner above. Anything else you need, just whistle. Cheers, Unc2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieS Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 29 minutes ago, Uncle Uncool said: SuE build! Me's in. Hi Laurie, mate. Just one; starboard pylon, which is a different pylon than those used by the wet ones. Just two tanks: one RP23 1100-litre tank on the underwing port pylon whenever the aircraft was loaded with the AM-39 missile on the starboard one, and an additional RP24 600-litre centreline tank). Here's a picture of 3-A-202 flown by then Frigate Capt. Alejandro Francisco while carrying the last AM-39 Exocet on inventory on the epic sortie of May the 30th, 1982 while refueling in route to the attack. Check that his SuE is carrying the RP23 1100-litre tank under the port wing pylon + an RP24 600-litre tank on the centreline pylon. Also check his wingman, 3-A-205 flown by Navy Lt. Luis Collavino, carrying the RP24/103 600-litre tanks on both underwing pylons + the RP24 600-litre tank on the centreline pylon 'cause he obviously was not carrying an Exocet missile on this sortie. Remember that whenever the missile was carried, the gun chasis also needed to be removed in order to accomodate the missile guidance systems in its place. Incidentally, no tanks were ever jettisoned throughout the war by SuEs. Just thought about posting this piccy on the fashion the tail surfaces were painted with the national flag and banner (gold, not yellow ), as pointed by mate Werner above. Anything else you need, just whistle. Cheers, Unc2 Thanks Unc2. I assume you were involved with the Etendard in some way ? A thing that you may help on. On the tail on the model there is a large gaping hole. This is in the area of the horizontal tail pieces. I am depicting the model, with pilot, in the take of position. This according to Kinetic indicates that the horizontal parts on the tail , they call the stabilizers, will be pointing down with the flap on the stabilizer up at 30degrees. Hope that is clear ! Now when that is is in position on the model part of this hole, aperture better, will be partially seen ie you can see sky through the aperture. Is this as it is in the real ? Why is this aperture there ? Laurie Laurie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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