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Grey Beema

Mosquito MkXIII - Help needed to identify

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I need some help identifying a 29 Squadron RAF Mosquito Mk XIII particularly the serial number and aircraft code.  The particular aircraft I am trying to identify was involved in the destruction of an Me110 Night Fighter some time after 2300hrs 17.09.44. in the Arnhem area.

 

The aircraft was flown by Lieutenant D Price with Sub Lieutenant R Armitage as his AI operator who had been seconded to the RAF to learn Airbourne Interception and bring the learnings back to the Fleet Air Arm to develop their Night Fighting capability.  The Me110 was their final claim and the third aircraft they destroyed (two other damaged claims had been made) making them the top scoring night fighting team in the Fleet Air Arm.

 

I have looked at the 29 Squadron ORB both Summary and Detailed and all it tells you is that aircraft type (Mosquito XIII with Mk VIII A.I.).  The 29 Squadron Combat Reports don't help either, although there is a narrative of each patrol all it gives is the aircraft type as above.  My last hope is Lieutenant Price's Log Book but an internet search has revealed nothing so far.

 

I have seen some pictures of 29 Squadron aircraft - which bear the squadron letters RO.  I assume that the colour scheme would be standard intruder scheme with Night undersides and by September 44 at partial invasion stripes..

 

Any information would be great fully received, or if you know of the whereabouts of any source of information that could lead me to the identity of this aircraft or aircraft assigned to 29 Squadron at the time it will be greatfully recieved...

 

Many thanks in advance..

 

 

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Names not found in indexes of either Bowyer's Mosquito Squadrons of the RAF or Bowman's The Men Who Flew The Mosquito.  The former has a long list of Mosquitoes which served with 29 Sq, often with a correlation to a code.  29's Mosquito XIIIs seem to have been come from the HK363-534 and MM436-623 series.  If you can come up with either a serial or a code, get in touch: you may be in luck!

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12 minutes ago, Seahawk said:

Names not found in indexes of either Bowyer's Mosquito Squadrons of the RAF or Bowman's The Men Who Flew The Mosquito.  The former has a long list of Mosquitoes which served with 29 Sq, often with a correlation to a code.  29's Mosquito XIIIs seem to have been come from the HK363-534 and MM436-623 series.  If you can come up with either a serial or a code, get in touch: you may be in luck!

Thanks Seahawk, if I can find anymore info, I'll come back to you if I may..

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I have been trawling the internet for information on 29 Squadron Mosquito XIIIs.  

 

Lieutenant D.R.O Price (also reported as Flt Price in one report) and SLt Armitage were involved in three claims that I can see:-

Ju188 Destroyed 9/10 June '44, Serial and Aircraft ID not recorded.

Bf110 Destroyed 21/22 June '44 Serial and Aircraft ID not recorded.

Bf110 Destroyed 17/18 Sept '44 Serial and Aircraft ID not recorded.

 

I have stolen downloaded a bunch of information from a site called Mossie.org - and by mashing it together I have identified a possible 32 aircraft that were used by 29 Sqn during or after Sept '44. 

 

Of that 32 I have an associated 29 Sqn code with 7 machines.

HK382  RO*T  Lost 13.3.45

HK428  RO*K

HK442  RO*Z

HK524  RO*F

HK529  RO*V  Lost 17.12.44

MM446 RO*Q

MM463 RO*J  Lost 20/21.09.44

 

Which leaves 25 where I don't know the aircraft code letter.

 

I cannot find a Log book for Lt Price and so I'm coming rapidly to the conclusion that I am never going to be able to identify any of the aircraft flown in any of the actions above.  At least I guess that no one will be able to prove me wrong either though...

 

If anyone has a brain wave on how I can progress - please let me know...

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On 1/13/2019 at 1:57 PM, Grey Beema said:

If anyone has a brain wave on how I can progress - please let me know...

Toss a coin?

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1 hour ago, Welkin said:

Toss a coin?

I'm thinking either HK428 RO*K because I saw a picture of it MSG all over with disruptive Dark Green camouflage 

or

HK422 RO*Z  because I don't have a Z on the shelf and because I can do the night undersurface roughly spayed over the MSG undersurfaces - but I'll still know I can't prove it's the right aircraft...

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Sounds good to me - when in doubt, always do the camouflage scheme that you don't have!

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49 minutes ago, Grey Beema said:

I'm thinking either HK428 RO*K because I saw a picture of it MSG all over with disruptive Dark Green camouflage 

or

HK422 RO*Z  because I don't have a Z on the shelf and because I can do the night undersurface roughly spayed over the MSG undersurfaces - but I'll still know I can't prove it's the right aircraft...

Is this the one you saw of HK428 - scanned from "The de Haviland Mosquito An Illustrated History" by Stuart Howe. Note the lack of Unit codes :-

2qajmz4.jpg

It's time with 29Sqdn, though short, certainly fits in with the date of the demise of the Me110.

 

HTH

 

Dennis

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1 hour ago, sloegin57 said:

Is this the one you saw of HK428 - scanned from "The de Haviland Mosquito An Illustrated History" by Stuart Howe. Note the lack of Unit codes :-

2qajmz4.jpg

It's time with 29Sqdn, though short, certainly fits in with the date of the demise of the Me110.

 

HTH

 

Dennis

Thanks Dennis, that wasn't the picture I saw and I had assumed to Squadron code would be on the aircraft - This proves it wasn't there...

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A few serial/code correlations from Bowyer (see post 2) that you don't have (or where there are differences):

 

HK382 I, not T

HK413 D

HK418 P

HK422 Z (HK442 is in a blackout block)

HK522 L

MM548 B

 

Of those you can rule out HK413 (crashed 7/6/44), MM548 (damaged beyond repair, 16/7/44) and probably HK418 (no A-B record of service with 29 Sq).

 

I offer no judgement on which source(s) are most likely to be reliable.

 

No reason from A-B to discount any of your magnificent seven except maybe MM446, which saw previous service with 151 and 96 Sq and had therefore possibly not reached 29 Sq by the date in question.

 

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1 hour ago, Seahawk said:

A few serial/code correlations from Bowyer (see post 2) that you don't have (or where there are differences):

 

HK382 I, not T

HK413 D

HK418 P

HK422 Z (HK442 is in a blackout block)

HK522 L

MM548 B

 

Of those you can rule out HK413 (crashed 7/6/44), MM548 (damaged beyond repair, 16/7/44) and probably HK418 (no A-B record of service with 29 Sq).

 

I offer no judgement on which source(s) are most likely to be reliable.

 

No reason from A-B to discount any of your magnificent seven except maybe MM446, which saw previous service with 151 and 96 Sq and had therefore possibly not reached 29 Sq by the date in question.

 

Thank you @Seahawk great information.  

 

As you can see I'm trying to go with a process of elimination.  Not quite given up on it yet...  I think I'll have another go at my spreadsheet and see it it makes identification of the aircraft involved in Price & Armitage's claims of either 9/10.9.44 or 21/22.6.44 any clearer - although I think basically the information from 29 Sqn is not there to start with.  

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Is there a possibilty that some markings could have been removed from the image by the war-time censors? Just my two penneth...

 

Chris. 

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Living near where 60OTU was based at High Ercall, where many Mossie intruder crews trained, a question for you Dennis...

 

You know how on some Falklands Harrier GR3 photos it looks like their wing rounders were overpainted when they were not due to the film used, could the same be the case with K in your photo? Look how the lower part of the K disappears into the MSG...

 

Worth a closer look?

Just a thought.

 

Btw, Britain at War magazine has an article on night fighter Mossies, with a 29 Sqn Mossie on the cover. Worth a look or contacting the author?

 

Cheers 

 

Nick

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