Tiger331 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 On 1/5/2020 at 3:55 PM, Dennis_C said: I've read all the comments here and Gabor's analysis on another forum. And honestly I'm frustrated. Airfix just did awfully bad job with the model. Wing of MiG-17 is indeed complex and I can understand simplification with the leading edge. But flat wing surface... Sorry. All aircraft have curved upper wing side. It's aerodynamics basics. And it's very prominent especially where the wing has several fences that highlight curvature. Then MiG-15 ejection seat and non-afterburner engine... this is just homework not made. And after all this idiotic barrel and missed C7 part on molds. No quality control? I understand a comment that the model is for Johnny to be bought in a grocery shop. But why Johnny should build a wrong model? I was really looking at it as an adversary model for my Vietnam and IDF collections but unfortunately not this time. Are you sure you have the Airfix kit ???........or maybe its a copy. Your comments don't tie up with what I have in front of me. Not 100% I am sure but definitely far superior to anything else I have seen and still at a reasonable cost. Until the likes of Great Wall Hobby, Avantgarde or Zoukei-Mura decide to produce this kit, I'll stick with my new Airfix variants, thank you. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger331 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just wasted an hour of my life going through this thread to see if I could pick up something useful. Looks like the ARC brigade have migrated to the UK. Some people definitely need to get a life. 8 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbolt Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Work In Progress said: Which is the best possible place for it, as it does not load the undercarriage strut Exactly, I put quite I bit elsewhere so I thought the wheel you would a good place as anymore above the leg my be a bit much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted March 7, 2020 Author Share Posted March 7, 2020 Dedicated PE set by Arma-Models - ref. AM039091K - MiG-17 Sources: https://arma-models.ru/catalog/fototravlenie/am039091k_tsvetnoe_fototravlenie_dlya_mig_17_1_72/ https://www.facebook.com/Arma.Models/posts/2815460005208355 V.P. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 The well-known modeller who left this forum, wrote on the Russian forum that Eduard is not considering the production of the MiG-17 in the near, far or any other future. 🤗 Thus, the list of theoretically possible future competitors of the MiG-17 from Airfix was reduced. 😣 B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I realize that it's possibly an off-topic distraction to ask this, but when I pulled my Dragon/DML 1/72 MiG-17 out to look at it, I was very impressed with what I saw, quality-wise, although I didn't hold it against any scale drawings. What is wrong with the Dragon MiG-17 (yes I know - it doesn't make Airfix a slice of the MiG-17 pie - that's not my point)? Feel free to send me to another thread or review site - I won't be offended... John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vultures1 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 34 minutes ago, John Thompson said: I realize that it's possibly an off-topic distraction to ask this, but when I pulled my Dragon/DML 1/72 MiG-17 out to look at it, I was very impressed with what I saw, quality-wise, although I didn't hold it against any scale drawings. What is wrong with the Dragon MiG-17 (yes I know - it doesn't make Airfix a slice of the MiG-17 pie - that's not my point)? Feel free to send me to another thread or review site - I won't be offended... John Others will come in with more detail I am sure but, if I recall correctly, the snag with the Dragon/DML MiG-17 is that it is under-scale. Won't stop me building mine though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vultures1 said: Others will come in with more detail I am sure but, if I recall correctly, the snag with the Dragon/DML MiG-17 is that it is under-scale. Won't stop me building mine though! Thanks, Vultures! Yeah, I tend to agree - unless it's somewhere around 1/80 or worse, I probably won't notice the difference. Heresy, I know, but hey, stone me, burn me at the stake, sue me for today's record-setting Dow Jones losses - whatever... John Edited March 9, 2020 by John Thompson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRK4m Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 The detailed review of the Dragon MiG-17 size/scale faults can be found there Start collecting the 1/80 aircraft models and then this kit will fit there precisely 😀 Cheers Michael 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, KRK4m said: The detailed review of the Dragon MiG-17 size/scale faults can be found there Start collecting the 1/80 aircraft models and then this kit will fit there precisely 😀 Cheers Michael Oh dear - well, thank you, Michael! I read your comments in the thread you linked in your post; it seems that the Dragon MiG-17 is a bit of a disaster (or "massacre", as you put it so well!). So, back into the Pit of Misfit Kits it goes, to rot for all eternity... John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 17 hours ago, John Thompson said: Thanks, Vultures! Yeah, I tend to agree - unless it's somewhere around 1/80 or worse, I probably won't notice the difference. Heresy, I know, but hey, stone me, burn me at the stake, sue me for today's record-setting Dow Jones losses - whatever... Posting on Britmodeller about 1/80 scale MiG-17 from Dragon led to the fall Dow Jones??? 😲😲 How scary to live in this world! 😁😁😁 B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I think there's a coronavirus connection too... John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroubos Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) Just got the kit this weekend, mainly bought it because I was curious about what Airfix can do these days. My last Airfix kit was the 72nd scale Typhoon. On the one hand I applaud them for doing a subject like this. It's a kind of left field and that's great. On the quality of the kit, a bit meh. If I compare this to the Mig-21 from Eduard I got a few weeks earlier, it's like you've stepped 25 years back in time. The amount of detail is underwhelming to say the least. On the other hand, it does look like a quick build, assuming fit is good and I haven't heard anything to say it's not. So horses for courses I guess. I think Airfix has made a clear choice on this to refrain from satisfying the rivet counters and detail freaks and keeping their kits accessible. That's fair. I'll still have fun building this kit. Edited March 11, 2020 by sroubos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Having bought one from my local model shop (glad I can still say that when so many have closed elsewhere) my conclusions are much the same as yours @sroubos; a nice kit that misses out on being a great kit for want of a little more detail in the cockpit and finesse around areas such as the too thick undercarriage doors yet has some of the nicest detail I've seen moulded on the wheels 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroubos Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Yes that's what struck me as well - in a few areas it looks great, in most others it appears rather clunky. Kind of random design choices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_C Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, sroubos said: So horses for courses I guess. I think Airfix has made a clear choice on this to refrain from satisfying the rivet counters and detail freaks and keeping their kits accessible. That's fair. I'll still have fun building this kit. On the big H Airfix's Fresco is GBP11.69 and Eduard's MiG-21 weekend edition is GBP11.25. Both export price. Sooo what is more accessible.... Ed's profipack is 16.19 with 5 decal options, PE fret and mask. Probably Airfix sells dirt cheap in retail chains like Tesco. I've no idea here. But what I definitely see in online stores is that Airfix is not anymore dirt cheap compared to other European firms both giants and new mass producers form Czech Republic. Same price category most of the time. It was indeed cheaper say 5 years ago, but the case changed. Edited March 11, 2020 by Dennis_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroubos Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) With accessible I mean that for novices an Airfix kit is more ‘buildable’ than an Eduard kit. Less parts and all that. From a modeller’s perspective you get much more value for money from Eduard. But they are not competing for the same customers I think. Edited March 12, 2020 by sroubos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_C Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 hours ago, sroubos said: With accessible I mean that for novices an Airfix kit is more ‘buildable’ than an Eduard kit. Less parts and all that. That is generally true and I agree the latest Airfix kit are building nicely. I think Fresco does so too. I did a Vampire, Skyhawk, Defiant, Hurricane all in 1/72 and all were okay. However now I do a parallel build of Eduard's mk.ix and Airfix's mk.xix and I should say although Eduard gives enormous number of parts it build easier with zero putty and minimal dry fitting. Something I can't tell about Airfix. So getting a good result means you would probably invest less effort in a more elaborate Ed's kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I’m afraid you’re on a losing argument because you don’t understand the British market and the power of the Airfix brand name. When people in the UK talk of a vacuum cleaner, they call it a Hoover. In the same way, all plastic kits are Airfix. When Auntie Flo buys little Johnny a kit for his birthday/Christmas its an Airfix kit and the brand is seared into little Johnny’s brain for life when he buys his own kits. Eduard may be 1,000 times better than Airfix, but Airfix have the reach to get into all sorts of outlets that Eduard does not. Aldi, Lidl. Marks & Spencer. Not just the serious model shops that might have some Eduard kits. Airfix reckons that us serious modellers make up just 15% of their market. Airfix don’t totally ignore the 15%, they’d like to be able to please it, but they produce kits to a budget and a timetable. They may be expensive in your neck of the woods, but their prices are still seen as (mostly) pocket money prices here. There have always been the more expensive ‘special occasion’ kits and that’s what you get in a range of products from one manufacturer. They’re not in competition with Eduard with this kit. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Also, Eduard don't make a MiG-17... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_tonto Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 8:25 PM, Wez said: Also, Eduard don't make a MiG-17... You've hit the nail on the head there Wez. 😀 I've just built the Airfix MiG-17F and whilst I'm a little disappointed with the lack of interior, wrong seat and other mistakes it is still the best Fresco out there. Scale wise it is spot on, some details missing and others a little clunky. I found fit around the nose was terrible but that could just be me. Overall I'm happy it is finished but I won't buy another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denford Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 3/15/2020 at 8:19 PM, Ratch said: I’m afraid you’re on a losing argument because you don’t understand the British market and the power of the Airfix brand name. When people in the UK talk of a vacuum cleaner, they call it a Hoover. In the same way, all plastic kits are Airfix. When Auntie Flo buys little Johnny a kit for his birthday/Christmas its an Airfix kit and the brand is seared into little Johnny’s brain for life when he buys his own kits. Eduard may be 1,000 times better than Airfix, but Airfix have the reach to get into all sorts of outlets that Eduard does not. Aldi, Lidl. Marks & Spencer. Not just the serious model shops that might have some Eduard kits. Airfix reckons that us serious modellers make up just 15% of their market. Airfix don’t totally ignore the 15%, they’d like to be able to please it, but they produce kits to a budget and a timetable. They may be expensive in your neck of the woods, but their prices are still seen as (mostly) pocket money prices here. There have always been the more expensive ‘special occasion’ kits and that’s what you get in a range of products from one manufacturer. They’re not in competition with Eduard with this kit. This ought to be compulsory reading before anyone is allowed to use the word 'Airfix' in a posting! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 7 hours ago, old_tonto said: wrong seat Does it have the wrong seat? I haven't seen the kit yet but I thought the MiG-17 originally had the same seat as the MiG-15, the later seat with the big head-box was introduced by the Polish built Lim-5's and fitted to other aircraft as they went through maintenance. I could be wrong, so I'd like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroubos Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Building the kit now and it is a bit of a slog, I need more filler than I anticipated, in particular the nose area is pretty crappy. Intake ring, splitter plate and gun panel all require quite a bit of work. I'm a bit puzzled by the holes in the lower wing, they seem to be in area of the drop tanks which I'm not going to use. Need filling I think. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) New boxing/ variant in Autumn 2021 - ref. A03092 - PZL Lim-5 "Fresco" in 2021. Source: https://www.airfix.com/uk-en/shop/new-for-2021/lim-5.html V.P. Edited January 8, 2021 by Homebee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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