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1/72 - MiG-17F "Fresco-C" by Airfix - released

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As great as all this info is,  I am going for the radical approach of waiting for the plastic to be in my hands and then worry about it.  The wing leading edge issue will at least be something I am happy to have a crack at improving, if indeed it is there when the kit is released, and the undercarriage indicators will be very simple to solve thanks to KRK4m's in-depth observations. 

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I am not a stickler for pin point accuracy , can look past a wrong hatch here or there but the wing leading edge is crossing a line - its simply not acceptable .  It is not different from messing up say a Lightning wing edge kink . The mig-17 is a significant machine , and with the vast array of schemes , it is not unlikely to expect any seasoned modeller to pick up atleast two or three . They missed a chance here , this was an open goal.

Either put in full effort or leave subjects like this for Modeslvit or even Trumpeter . It is not like they are cheap either to gloss over the almost toy like attempt at certain models.  This kit will likely go for the same price as Eduard's profipack Mig-15 if not more . 

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11 minutes ago, Basuroy said:

I am not a stickler for pin point accuracy , can look past a wrong hatch here or there but the wing leading edge is crossing a line - its simply not acceptable .  It is not different from messing up say a Lightning wing edge kink . The mig-17 is a significant machine , and with the vast array of schemes , it is not unlikely to expect any seasoned modeller to pick up atleast two or three . They missed a chance here , this was an open goal.

Either put in full effort or leave subjects like this for Modeslvit or even Trumpeter . It is not like they are cheap either to gloss over the almost toy like attempt at certain models.  This kit will likely go for the same price as Eduard's profipack Mig-15 if not more . 

 

Wait until you see the final product before dismissing it.  I think it will turn out the leading edge is NOT straight and has the kink in it.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Basuroy said:

but the wing leading edge is crossing a line - its simply not acceptable .  It is not different from messing up say a Lightning wing edge kink .

The kink is in the CAD around the second wing fence.

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Sorry I have to remove my posts

 

Good Bye

Gabor   

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From a message by Alexey Andriyanov in the Airfix Facebook page.

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The wing leading edge remind me of the one of the Su-15TM. I guess the airfoils between the inner and outer wing are different so that the wing areas stall at about the same airspeed.

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Sorry I have to remove my posts

 

Good Bye

Gabor   

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15 hours ago, Basuroy said:

or even Trumpeter

The HobbyBoss / Trumpeter 1/48 MiG-17 series doesn't have the leading edge cross-section change either. 

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19 hours ago, Dave Fleming said:

 

Wait until you see the final product before dismissing it.  I think it will turn out the leading edge is NOT straight and has the kink in it.

 

 

 Fair point but based on the images on Airfix's webpage , it is unlikely that the sharp leading edge is going to be reproduced.  It is not like it is a difficult thing to incorporate either , one can simply mold the upper wing leading edge as part of the upper surface with the lower surface as an insert- a design element found across brands to faithfully reproduce the leading edge cross section . 

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On 2/8/2019 at 2:28 PM, VMA131Marine said:

The HobbyBoss / Trumpeter 1/48 MiG-17 series doesn't have the leading edge cross-section change either. 

 

Sorry I have to remove my posts

 

Good Bye

Gabor   

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Of course all this is theoretical at the moment. Can we please wait until the sprue shots are released? If I buy a 90% accurate kit and I have to spend a few minutes chamfering the leading edge to cure the defect, then so be it.

 

Have pity on me, I’ve just started Kitty Hawk’s Jaguar GR.1! Now there’s something to complain about 🤣

 

Trevor

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1 hour ago, Max Headroom said:

Of course all this is theoretical at the moment. Can we please wait until the sprue shots are released? If I buy a 90% accurate kit and I have to spend a few minutes chamfering the leading edge to cure the defect, then so be it.

 

Have pity on me, I’ve just started Kitty Hawk’s Jaguar GR.1! Now there’s something to complain about 🤣

 

Trevor

As pointed out earlier in this thread, Airfix have said they do monitor the forum so there's nothing wrong with pointing out things that look wrong before we get the kit. If it was a big error they had made it's better to catch it before it's too late.

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On 2/4/2019 at 7:08 PM, general melchett said:

 I've just been contacted by Simon (Owen) of Airfix to clear up a few points regarding the kit,

. . . We do appreciate all bits of info, too late to make huge changes now, but thanks all the same. . . 

 

 

On 2/10/2019 at 12:05 AM, Tbolt said:

. . .  error they had made it's better to catch it before it's too late.

 

 

Sorry I have to remove my posts

 

Good Bye

Gabor   

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2 hours ago, ya-gabor said:

 

 

 

 

I think time is up and it is too late for anything. Of course we can hope for a miracle.

 

Best regards

Gabor

Maybe Airfix will learn from this and show CAD's earlier before they have started cutting masters/molds as using people with knowledge of particular types can save a lot of time and prevent errors.

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Just a suggestion. It would be nice if Airfix would add Egyptian air to ground missiles and fuel tanks

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Having read all the discussions regarding this kit, I only have one thing to say.

 

Can I have mine now please?!?!?  :D 

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On 2/10/2019 at 1:13 PM, Enzo Matrix said:

Having read all the discussions regarding this kit, I only have one thing to say.

 

Can I have mine now please?!?!?  :D 

Same here. I built the MiG-15 and I enjoyed it thoroughly. This one looks just as fun!

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Source: https://www.airfix.com/uk-en/news/workbench/fresco-advances-to-test-shots-stage

 

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‘Fresco’ advances to test shots stage

Published 10/05/2019

 

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Welcome to this latest edition of Workbench and all the news, updates and exclusive announcements from the fascinating world of Airfix modelling. As usual, we have another feature packed edition awaiting your inspection, with a host of exclusive Airfix images and the latest in our incredibly popular series of reader supplied modelling features to bring you. Available to Workbench readers before anyone else gets to see them, we have exclusive first pictures of the new 1/72nd scale MiG 17 part test frames, along with confirmation of a significant build option incorporated into the tooling of the new Blackburn Buccaneer S Mk.2 kit. To mark this month’s release of the highly anticipated 1/48th scale Griffon powered Spitfire FR Mk.XIV, we have pictures of a beautiful advanced sample kit build, which has been finished in the markings of the lead scheme option included with this highly anticipated kit, the first time this camouflaged beauty has featured in a Workbench blog. We also have two reader supplied articles to bring you, one looking at a fascinating Airfix decal display from this year’s Halifax Model Show, the other featuring a well-travelled Airfix modelling fanatic and his classic 1956 Hurricane kit build. Before we begin, if anybody would like to send in any interesting Airfix related features for future inclusion in our blog, or to suggest any particular subjects you would like to see covered in a future edition, please send details to our usual workbench@airfix.com e-mail address, where we would be only too pleased to hear from you. Right, let’s head straight for a little exclusive MiG ‘gunslinger’ action and the latest update from one of our 2019 new tooling projects.

 

MiG’s mighty bomber killer

 

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A computer rendered 3D image produced from the new 1/72nd scale Mikoyan Gurevich MiG 17 tooling, clearly illustrating the rugged, no nonsense design of this diminutive jet fighter

 

One of the three new tooling announcements made at the turn of the year, with the launch of the 2019 Airfix range, the Mikoyan Gurevich MiG 17 will have delighted fans of early jet fighter technology and covers a period of aviation which is relatively lightly represented in our current kit line up. Even as the horrors of the Second World War were still fresh in the minds of those lucky enough to survive the conflict, former European allies were succumbing to a sentiment of general mistrust and at a time when the world had so much rebuilding to do, a new arms race developed, with each side fearing the other may introduce a significant new weapon, one which would be used as political leverage against them. With Britain, America and the Soviet Union making full use of captured German aircraft innovations and technical data in their own indigenous aviation programmes, an inexorable quest for greater speed continued through the early jet age, with exceeding the sound barrier being the ultimate aviation prize. The Soviets were highly resourceful, combining existing aviation technologies with those gleaned from the Germans and they were determined that the Western Allies would not claim superiority of the skies over Europe. With their introduction of the magnificent MiG 15 jet fighter, they had an aircraft which forced the West to wake from their slumber of aviation arrogance, having previously assumed that their own aircraft designs were significantly more advanced than those operated by their emerging enemy from the East. The Korean War proved to be something of a chastening experience for the West, with Soviet pilots claiming in excess of a 3:1 victory ratio against their opponents and almost overnight managed to end the practice of sending unescorted bombers on strike missions over contested airspace.

 

The diminutive MiG 15 jet fighter proved to be such a resounding combat success during the Korean conflict, that it is no wonder the Soviet’s were desperate to improve on its impressive capabilities. Indeed, even whilst the first frenetic jet versus jet fighter engagements were taking place in the skies above Korea, engineers at the Mikoyan-Gurevich company were already at the advanced stages of developing an upgraded version of their capable jet. Despite sharing many aesthetic similarities with its forerunner, the MiG 17 ‘Fresco’ was much more than simply a larger, more powerful version of the earlier fighter and incorporated many design improvements which mark this as a completely different aeroplane. A fascinating combination of the best fighter doctrines from the Second World War and the latest advancements in transonic flight research, this rugged and easy to maintain jet fighter could boast a devastating array of offensive armament and in the days before effective air to air missiles were available, this fighter can be accurately described as the Soviet Union’s last gunslinger. The edition of Workbench where we announced the development of our new MiG 17 and featured the work of a talented young Airfix designer can be revisited HERE.

 

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The Airfix team had the benefit of MiG 17 scan data for this project, which allows them to accurately replicate the iconic shape of this Cold War jet in 1/72nd scale

 

Having already shown images from the MiG scan data and computer design files produced in support of this new project, Workbench readers have become familiar with the various stages in the production of any new Airfix kit over the years and will have been looking forward to seeing the next major stage in this particular project – inspecting pictures of the first test frames. The first time plastic is shot through a new model tooling block must be a time of great excitement for the Airfix team, if tempered with just a little trepidation. Until they can thoroughly inspect the resultant component frames from the new tool, they cannot check if all the features they planned to be incorporated into any new model have been represented correctly - they will also need to check that the new kit is a logical and pleasurable build for most modellers, at the same time. What is certain, the team will now be facing another extremely busy period of checking and report writing following arrival of the test frames, as they will need to assess every aspect of the new model tooling, usually making a series of modification recommendations at this stage, whilst at the same time thinking about build guidance information for inclusion in the instruction booklet. In a welcome break away from their computer screens, this stage will also allow them the opportunity to indulge their passion for the hobby, as the test frame components all need to be constructed and checked, another essential stage in this fascinating process.

 

The following series of images are the latest Workbench exclusives and you are seeing them before anyone else outside of the Airfix development team. They feature the first test frames from the new 1/72nd scale Mikoyan Gurevich MiG 17 ‘Fresco’ tooling and serve to reassure us all that this latest new tooling project is advancing nicely towards its scheduled release date – please remember that these are still very much at the development stage and still represent a relatively early stage in this process. We show these images knowing that our readers are now more than comfortable with the various production stages in the life of a new model tooling, accepting that these early test frames allow the Airfix design team to continue their work in ensuring a new model can soon grace the workstations and display cabinets of modellers all over the world.

 

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As the latest image exclusive for Workbench readers, these test frame images represent the first time plastic has been injected through the new 1/72nd scale MiG 17 tool and represent a significant stage in the development of this new kit

 

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These slightly angled views of the component frames give modellers a much clearer indication of what they can look forward to on their workbenches in the months to come

 

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The test frames above serve to underline the relatively simple, yet extremely distinctive design of the MiG 17 Fresco jet fighter, an aircraft type which is destined to receive much more enthusiast attention following the release of this new kit. Indeed, perhaps the most interesting aspect of the MiG 17 from the modeller’s perspective will be the myriad of attractive scheme options which were applied to an aircraft which went on to serve with around 25 different air arms across the world, nations as diverse as Albania and Uganda. Indeed, several examples of this aircraft were even used by the US Air Force, to provide their pilots with dissimilar air combat training, following the end of the Vietnam War, a programme which proved invaluable in preparing US pilots for modern air combat.

 

Our new 1/72nd scale MiG 17 Fresco A03091 is currently scheduled for a November release and we very much look forward to bringing you further project updates as we approach this date. https://www.airfix.com/uk-en/mikoyan-gurevich-mig-17-fresco.html

 

V.P.

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1 hour ago, YK GOH said:

Great to see underwing stores and pilot!

Thank you Airfix!

Underwing stores great! Pilot - meh !! He's only there to give the groundcrew more work!

 

Looking forward to this kit though.

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Are there no smaller pics of the sprues, Airfix ?

No PF-intake ? :(
 

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40 minutes ago, MiG-Mech said:

Are there no smaller pics of the sprues, Airfix ?

No PF-intake ? :(
 

Airfix don't seem that interested in maximizing types from their moulds ( Spit Vc, Spit XIV highback and lack of other B-17 versions ) so hopefully some AM will appear for a PF.

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The PF needs more than just a new intake, the fuselage halves would need changing, and the cockpit interior and the canopy.

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