Jase Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Fairly sure there is not one but wonderd if anybody was aware af an ‘A’ class destroyer kit? My Grandfather, now 100, served on Anthony at Dunkirk and I would love to model it Jase 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 No, but modelling it isn't too difficult from a Hotspur kit (old Airfix 1/600 or Frog 1/500 ), the Tamiya E class or from one of the advertised H/G/I class destroyers from IBG (all 1/700) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryn Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Jase A Polish Company AJM Models have produced an A Class in 1/700. I've got it in my head that they plan a 1/350 as well but not sure where I got that idea from. https://starling-models.co.uk/en/royal-navy-1919-1945/976-hms-ardent-hms-acasta.html Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 hours ago, terryn said: Jase A Polish Company AJM Models have produced an A Class in 1/700. I've got it in my head that they plan a 1/350 as well but not sure where I got that idea from. https://starling-models.co.uk/en/royal-navy-1919-1945/976-hms-ardent-hms-acasta.html Terry Big thanks for that find I will try and locate a couple of these Jase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryn Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Jase Mike McCabe of Starling Models (who is a member of this site) is probably your best contact in the UK. Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 hours ago, Jase said: Big thanks for that find I will try and locate a couple of these Jase It appears that this kit is out of stock globally. Obviously Starling Models is off line at the moment. i suspect out of production now? Have purchased an Airfix Hopspure kit just need to fins some plans. Will keep lots king for an ajm kit too kany thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I've been looking at Wiki and at Friedman's British Destroyers vol.1, and conclude that the Tamiya E class is the spitting image but for a few minor changes in superstructure and an effectively invisible 6 feet in length. So for Hotspur much the same will be true. Friedman has plans for Ardent as built, and a photo of Antelope as a wartime escort, plus generic description of the changes made during the war. So the question is the date for which you intend modelling? From a quick read, the first change will be in 1940/41 with the replacement of the aft tube set with a 3in AA gun. After that will come Oerlikons in the bridge wings, then the removal of the aft gun and paravanes for more depth charge chutes and throwers. Camouflage could be, well, interesting. Wiki shows her in a variant of Western Approaches white, as an escort. I suspect at Dunkirk she will have been in prewar fit and hopefully prewar Home Fleet dark grey, but I'm not sure that I'd bet on it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 8 hours ago, Graham Boak said: I've been looking at Wiki and at Friedman's British Destroyers vol.1, and conclude that the Tamiya E class is the spitting image but for a few minor changes in superstructure and an effectively invisible 6 feet in length. So for Hotspur much the same will be true. Friedman has plans for Ardent as built, and a photo of Antelope as a wartime escort, plus generic description of the changes made during the war. So the question is the date for which you intend modelling? From a quick read, the first change will be in 1940/41 with the replacement of the aft tube set with a 3in AA gun. After that will come Oerlikons in the bridge wings, then the removal of the aft gun and paravanes for more depth charge chutes and throwers. Camouflage could be, well, interesting. Wiki shows her in a variant of Western Approaches white, as an escort. I suspect at Dunkirk she will have been in prewar fit and hopefully prewar Home Fleet dark grey, but I'm not sure that I'd bet on it. This is interesting I am very greatful for your assistance. I will have to dig out a copy of Friedmans british destroyers 😎👍🏻 certainly Anthony was in pre war colours at Dunkirk, the time I want to model her, althothough would also like to model her at Sptzbergen, just before my Grandad left her to commision and join HMS kilchrenan. Inunderstand from talking to my Grandfather that Anthony was damaged by a second stuka attack returning from her 4th visit, I suspect her first structural changes would have been while she was in for repair which was a two week period . I am fairly sure that at Dunkirk she was pre war condition with both tube sets and full lenghth funnels 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 I have found this book that looks promising, so orderd one 😎 https://t.alibris.com/British-Destroyers-A-I-and-Tribal-Classes-Les-Brown/book/14398738 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I'd just thought of that but you beat me to it. It does have a lovely picture of Anthony as built, plus Active in camouflage for 1940/41 Russian convoys - something wrong there! It does have plans of Ambuscade and the H classes, which will help. It's a good book anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 When you get the book, look at that conversion of Hotspur to Fraser. That is what you have to do, plus a second whaler on the starboard side, staggered centre gun positions as Ambuscade, and the four anchor chains converging to a single opening, as on Ambuscade. Believe me, this will all make sense when you see the book and the plans inside. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Some excellent detail from you Graham and will be very useful for when I get round to building my own RN destroyers. Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Dorking Models (no connection) has the A class destroyer in stock. If they've gone from there you could try one of the Polish shops such as Jadar or Martola. Alternatively Starling may perhaps be getting more? There's probably more modelling interest in doing a conversion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted January 9, 2019 Author Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) Managed to buy one from Dorking Models many thanks for the lead. I can use this to modify the 1:600 airfix kit and the Tamiya e class, coupled with the book other reserch materials and some Photos of my Grandfathers I should now be able to do a Dunkirk version, and unlimited other versions for family would be intresting to try and scale it up to 1:200?! thanks to everyone for the support and help - what a great forum Jase Edited January 9, 2019 by Jase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Bit of an update on this now pre-project planning. I now have the Airfix Hopspure kit and the AJM kit, book on its way. i have also been in discussion with Royal Museums Greenwich about Plans for HMS Anthony, this is what they have to say:- I have checked through our records and we do have plans for HMS Anthony, but they are only the design plans (which I have highlighted in yellow) rather than the more detailed 'as fitted' plans. The tables below show the list of the A-Class destroyer plans we have. Just to clarify, HMS Ardent and HMS Anthony have the same design plans. Although we don’t have the as fitted plans for ‘Anthony’, we do for ‘Ardent’, which was built by the same company as ‘Anthony’, so I believe that would be your best bet. If you are looking at ships aside from Ardent and Anthony, I should mention that all the other ships listed were built by different firms so there is likely to be some difference in design between the plans. HMS Ardent (1929) Line Plan Scale 1 Body Plan. 1929. NPA5531 (Anthony) 1:24 2 Lower Deck & Hold. design plan 1928. NPA5535 (Anthony) 1:48 3 Lower Deck & Hold A/F. 1930. NPA5660 1:48 4 Upper , Focs'le & Bridges Decks. design plan 1928. NPA5534 (Anthony) 1:48 5 Upper, Focls'le & Bridge Decks A/F. 1930. NPA5659 1:48 6 Inboard Profile. design plan 1928. NPA5532 (Anthony) 1:48 7 Inboard Profile A/F. 1930. NPA5662 1:48 8 Sections. A/F 1930. NPA5661 1:48 9 Aft & Fwd Sections design plan 1928. NPA5536 (Anthony) 1:48 10 Aft & Fwd Sections A/F. 1930. NPA5666 1:48 11 Constructional Sections design plan 1928 NPA5533 (Anthony) 1:12 I think get a copy of each one and see what I end up with🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zed Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Nice of Greenwich to answer your query about plans, but 1/12th scale plans! Those would be ~27 feet for the full ship. Even the 1/48 scale would be ~7 foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 4 hours ago, zed said: Nice of Greenwich to answer your query about plans, but 1/12th scale plans! Those would be ~27 feet for the full ship. Even the 1/48 scale would be ~7 foot. You can get either printed or digital copys. So I think i willget digital so I can scale them down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zed Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Jase said: You can get either printed or digital copys. So I think i willget digital so I can scale them down Now that is useful. What format are they in? A few ships I wouldn't mind getting myself. Being on the left side of the pond, digital would be much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Macnaughton Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 hours ago, zed said: Now that is useful. What format are they in? A few ships I wouldn't mind getting myself. Being on the left side of the pond, digital would be much easier. A couple I bought 3 years ago were in jpg format. These were for a 40' launch in 1/24th scale and were 42 and 33 MB in size - goodness knows how large the file for a destroyer would be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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