Jase Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Just recived my Exeter today, plenty of scope for the etch aftermarket boys. i think I will wait and see what comes out, especialy as I have 4 other builds on the go at the moment lol ther is a very nice 3 D printed replacment turret set on Shapeways to replace the very featurless kit turrets Jase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 It's still tedious I can confirm, but I have painted the other half of the deck now. It hasn't yet had the acrylic gloss and oil wash. Whilst the acrylic gloss didn't protect the enamel from the oil wash, it did prevent the wash from staining matt paint and gave a nice sheen which implies less surface relief than matt paint gives which I think is a better scale effect. I want both to look the same so I will follow the same process again... Amusingly, and @bootneck might spot anyway, Trumpeter has done a Trumpeter and the moulded deck planking pattern is different here. I also made a floor and two bulkheads to go inside the superstructure. There was not clear line of sight through the original so this blocks that off. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick C Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 3:15 PM, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: Here's how that deck malarkey turned out. It turns out that W&N acrylic gloss clear is no barrier at all to enamel thinners so I managed to damage the surface just ahead of the turret barbette. That's getting remedial work now. I had intended to ask if the BM populace considers this deck painting to be ok or if it needs redone, but these images are not scaling well at all and the automatic resizing keeps applying its own patterns to the deck that are not present in real life. I guess I'll just need to go with my own opinion on the matter here. I have turned my attention to the hull for now. This has four large gates on the keel but they are easy enough to remove with a flat chisel. On mine a dab of filler is needed on each as some material has come away when the moulding has been broken off whatever runner/sprue arrangement the injection moulders used. There are a couple of "bridges" on each side to aid moulding the surrounding structure around the midships torpedo tube openings. This isn't beyond the realms of reasonable modelling skills but I can foresee heavy-handed modellers breaking the bits they're supposed to keep. Mine was already broken in the box on one side - no big deal. I removed the surplus plastic using a good sharp pair of nippers that every modeller ought to have... I need to retract my earlier statement about the deck being a bit springy. On closer inspection there was a very easy answer: There are a few of these on the undersides of both deck sections and they are easily removed with a chisel blade. Once done, the deck fits very well as shown here dry fitted: Deck looks great Jamie. Following the WIP, looks like a nice kit. Cheers Nick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: Amusingly, and @bootneck might spot anyway, Trumpeter has done a Trumpeter and the moulded deck planking pattern is different here. That is weird, it does look as if Trumpeter has done the planking correctly on the forward deck, so why not the aft? The staining effect looks really good and appears to show the caulking. Very impressive. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 51 minutes ago, bootneck said: That is weird, it does look as if Trumpeter has done the planking correctly on the forward deck, so why not the aft? The staining effect looks really good and appears to show the caulking. Very impressive. Mike Likely some CAD slip in transposing a pre-set template of planking lines or somt. Either that or Trumpeter's A-team single person did the fore deck and asked a junior to copy it so he could move on. Anyway - I doubt we'll be seeing a corrected piece any time soon! It could be changed with filling and scribing but that's a job for someone else 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 Now then. I am very keen not to come off the rails and end up stalling looking for answers to questions that cannot be answered, however... Trumpeter says the raised deck upon which B-turret sits is beige. No planking is depicted. To my knowledge there was no beige deck coating, so either this area should be planked, or painted dark grey, or covered with linoleum (a reasonable answer) or covered with trowelled-on latex non-slip compound (of which Semtex was one of three similar brands of civvie supplied stuff - one was green of unknown characteristics, one was brown of unknown characteristics, and one was "the colour of dry asphalt" according to a contemporary written description). I will make modest efforts to get this correct. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelholic Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Found this pic on the net and B gundeck looks planked https://ww2db.com/images/5922f936671dc.jpg It enlarges quite a bit as well! Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Modelholic said: Found this pic on the net and B gundeck looks planked https://ww2db.com/images/5922f936671dc.jpg It enlarges quite a bit as well! Tom That's a good find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickrd Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) Jamie, I have replied to you on the MW Forum with a better photo of what looks like planking Edited January 2, 2019 by dickrd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 Thank you Richard. I had been pondering just emailing you directly, you being the encyclopedia of RN cruisers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 Now I know for sure. Unfortunately as a modelling exercise it's the worst possible outcome as I now need to render planking on an unplanked piece which looks similar to the rest of the ship. I am thinking a paper template followed by a think plasticard overlay may be the way to go as I can scribe the planking on to that without the barbette and other protrusions obstructing scribing tools and straight edges. Also, if I make a mess of it I can simply start over. So much for an OOB build I have read in a few places now that this kit might be Trumpeter's best yet. That may be true, but that's an unreasonably positive spin on being the least bad. Planking and boat cradles between davits either side of bridge eliminated: as per the image above which I have rehosted for ease (but it won't zoom in like the original which seems to only work if copied and pasted into browser: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelholic Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 A little OT but I'm reading that Trumpeter have 2 RN 'C' class and 3 Dido class in their 2019 catalogue. If I only had the room. And a big lottery win 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 This is true. Some County class too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 Last one for tonight. To many this will be sucking eggs, but here's how I'm planning to plank that gun deck with an escape strategy incase I screw it up. It's the thinnest plasticard I have. I think I can scribe it still, and it makes as small a difference to deck height as is possible. It's a compromise as model making always is. I am 2 whole days in to this now and I'm still wasting time on decks. I'm not single/retired enough for this. The moral of the story? Just wait til aftermarket wooden decks are out and use them... A paper rubbing of the approximate shape: Cut with scissors and scalpel until it fits: I then turned it upside down and glued what would be the upper face to the plasticard using PVA. (my thinking being that if for any reason I couldn't separate them later then the side I need is unblemished) I started with the barbette, first measuring and cutting the circle, then the slots for the gusset plates: I could then confirm I had the thing aligned and cut out a rough oversized outline with scissors. I cut the remaining protrusions (and removed one, replacing it with a relocated manway for a ladder from below) then trimmed the outline to suit the kit part: I now have something to begin the mind-numbing chore that is plank scribing. 🙄 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmo G Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: Now then. I am very keen not to come off the rails and end up stalling looking for answers to questions that cannot be answered, however... Trumpeter says the raised deck upon which B-turret sits is beige. No planking is depicted. To my knowledge there was no beige deck coating, so either this area should be planked, or painted dark grey, or covered with linoleum (a reasonable answer) or covered with trowelled-on latex non-slip compound (of which Semtex was one of three similar brands of civvie supplied stuff - one was green of unknown characteristics, one was brown of unknown characteristics, and one was "the colour of dry asphalt" according to a contemporary written description). I will make modest efforts to get this correct. Hi Jamie Looking good like your rectification work so far. Looks like trumpy fluffed again the superstructure deck under B turret is definatly planked, the photos taken after the battle of River plate show this clearly........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Watching with some fascination - what a great top down pic and I agree with Salmo, good approach to "augmentation" I think the painted deck looks good. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 16 hours ago, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: Trumpeter says the raised deck upon which B-turret sits is beige. No planking is depicted. I suspect Trumpeter got that detail from this image in the Profile Morskie book. I think they have mistaken the awning around that deck, as seen in the overhead image in #36, as a solid unplanked surface. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 I think you're right there - there are numerous images showing awnings erected around there. This is where a bit of geekery does help, I think. One should question what coating / paint system they think they are seeing. Cream coloured paint for a deck doesn't sound all that sensible when the implications of such a conclusion are stated as plainly as that. Here's the results of today's efforts. My scribing is, as always, a bit shonky. I could have tried again but I have no reason to believe a second, third of twentieth attempt would be any better so I just carried on: Hopefully it's a bit less noticeable when it's all built and the quality of the planking scribing isn't the main focus 😕 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Fox Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I'd be proud of that mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Silver Fox said: I'd be proud of that mate. Thank you Andy (it was Andy, wasn't it? I remember our brief chat at Telford but I'm awfully good at filling in details with my imagination when I have infact forgotten them!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Fox Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Yes, I am surprised you remembered, you were very busy and had been for two days. Actually you have inspired me to look at HMS Exeter in 1/700 scale, though my head is telling me I'd only mess it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 28 minutes ago, Silver Fox said: Yes, I am surprised you remembered, you were very busy and had been for two days. Actually you have inspired me to look at HMS Exeter in 1/700 scale, though my head is telling me I'd only mess it up. If we listened to head we'd never take up the hobby of devaluing model kits good man! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Have you considered taking up producing your own decks Jamie? That looks really good. Scribing lines can always cause bowing of the sheet, however a few scribes on the other side would bring that back to the flat again. cheers Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelholic Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I'd be really tempted if it was the 1942 fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 50 minutes ago, Modelholic said: I'd be really tempted if it was the 1942 fit. It's a possibility I suppose, but the colourscheme is all-over HFG with dark stained decks so not much to look at sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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