Massimo Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 This is where Bill comes out!!!! Very nice progress indeed!!!! Bravissimo!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyf117 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Content withdrawn - I will NOT be threatened by a moderator, simply because I queried the actions of another... Edited June 27, 2020 by andyf117 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 6 hours ago, andyf117 said: Well at least someone had the good sense to have their undercarriages locked down, to avoid any embarrassing incidents! 🤣 Junglies never were the sharpest pencils in the box, I suppose. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 Taking the bull by the sharp sticky out hurty bits I have rounded the front of my mystery fairing and stupagooed it on If its badly wrong, go sue me A wee bit sanding down should give me Now it is on I can adjust the shape that little bit to get 'the shape' The shape is always in there somewhere, just have to locate it huh 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky coffeeboat Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 That mystery fairing is nothing more mysterious than the the cover for the ESM cables from the rear facing heads. It's split in two with one part on the tail and the other on the tail cone to allow the tail to fold. It's not badly wrong just a bit too big, but sanding to follow, so I'll hold off on my legal team... Jeff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky coffeeboat Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Mr Perdu, For your viewing pleasure. This is the tail end of a Mk1 folded all nice and tight to squeeze into a small Type 23 frigate hangar. Note your mysterious shaped thingy More to follow shortly, I'm having a nice nostalgic look through my photos (that one above was taken almost nine years ago, so perhaps not too nostalgic) Jeff 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 Now that makes a lot of sense of everything under there, thanks Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky coffeeboat Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 How far along are you with the flare stuff? Are you going to remake them or leave as is? Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWilko Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 hours ago, pinky coffeeboat said: Mr Perdu, For your viewing pleasure. This is the tail end of a Mk1 folded all nice and tight to squeeze into a small Type 23 frigate hangar. Note your mysterious shaped thingy More to follow shortly, I'm having a nice nostalgic look through my photos (that one above was taken almost nine years ago, so perhaps not too nostalgic) Jeff My word!!! Do you chaps have to have qualifications in Origami to achieve that? One would imagine that dragging it out again must be equally "exciting",what happens if you have to do it in a hurry? One bets there's far more "guiders and watchers"than do-er's for that maneuver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky coffeeboat Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Hi Dave, if Perdu doesn't object I'll answer your question. When the aircraft is out of the hangar, it seems a pretty big place with loads of room. However, when stowing the Merlin that space soon disappears!! There is literally inches to spare above the rotor "beany" (the aerodynamic fairing that sits at the very top and looks like a Frisbee) and the fully raised hangar roller door. To the sides there is enough room for two people to squeeze past each other and people wonder where the navy gets its "reputation"...At the nose, you have to turn sideways to pass round the front. Space is at a premium. Moving the aircraft in/out uses a pulley system attached to large heavy guides The metal shuttles aren't physically attached to the aircraft but contact the main wheel spurs, metal rods that are attached to the wheel axle and stick out. In the photo above, the spur can be seen as a metal projection coming out from the wheel axle. This is the reason for the curved cut out in the main wheel sponson. The nose wheel is enclosed between a pair of guides that pull and push the whole aircraft out. See the nose wheel in the piccy below Merlin at sea Moving it about the deck is an interesting experience. Most of the flight are involved and as you said, keep a good look out for anything that could go wrong. It always appears to be quite a slow system out on deck but mentally it always seems to speed up whenever it's in the hangar and what at first seemed slow and taking forever suddenly becomes too fast when inside! The speed doesn't change, just when in the hangar there's so many things to be cautious of your head spins quite quickly. Jeff 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 4 hours ago, pinky coffeeboat said: How far along are you with the flare stuff? Are you going to remake them or leave as is? Jeff Jeff i have remade it now Im glad you have explained the shiny poles on the wheels Youll notice i have cut out the slots in the sponsons already I'm about to finish up with making the flare packs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 And I thought the shiny poles were for the training wheels. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 I thought they were steps to make careless matelots slide off when wet 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky coffeeboat Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 They are very good at giving bruised shins... Jeff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Wonderful progress Bill. Proper job going on here. Johnny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Nice description of handling a Merlin on a frigate deck. I never had that particular pleasure, but I did work a 2-Lynx flight in Broadsword for a while, which had its moments - in particular, you really have to think ahead; like, when one cab is airborne and you are ranging the second... but then the first puts out a Pan call to say it's returning to Mum. How quickly can you get Cab 2 safely stowed, especially when it’s rough, or dark, or both? I also operated a Seaking from the deck of HMS Brave. The Lynx and Merlin do at least have wheel spurs and other equipment designed to aid safe handling on deck. The dear old Seaking has none of that, so moving it in and out of the hangar is an operation to be done with considerable care. The Mother of all challenging deck arrangements is probably a tie between the Tribal class Wasp deck (where the hangar was underneath the deck - someone even older than me will have to explain how on Earth you got it in and out) and the County class Wessex deck (the one with the hangar door round the corner on the port side because of the gigantic Seaslug radar where the hangar door would have been...). I imagine getting ranging / stowing the cab in either of those ships must have been not for the faint-hearted! The joys of non-diversion flying from a small ship. Fly Navy Edited March 8, 2019 by Ex-FAAWAFU 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: Fly Navy ...and Land on the Sea! Judging the wind whilst alighting on a surface moving violently in all three dimensions is pure sorcery in my book Crisp. I see now why this is called a Merlin. 18 hours ago, perdu said: The shape is always in there somewhere, just have to locate it huh Leave my waistline out of this. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 Aint it grand being here in BM where we get live commentaries on things we mere mortals could only dream of Fabulous interjects again from Crisp and Jeff Who knew this stuff but they who did it for real? I seem to recall Chris Parry describing the vagaries of operating from Antrim (maybe?) whilst heading Down South Just wow Anyway, less wow but equally pleasing for me I drilled the weapon pylon mounting from Richard's donated pieces and was thrilled to find the pylon mountings exactly matched the pick up points I had made from U section extrusions And have posed one of the resized AN/ALQ frames for consideration I think they will do now Much more to do now but I feel I'm getting the greeblies nailed on OK Next? ZH847's FLIR mounting bracket Deep joy... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky coffeeboat Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Have you started the turret mount? If not hold on... Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I think you ( especially Crisp) might like this, especially with the talk of limited space..... https://www.facebook.com/groups/812442282225658/permalink/1521292038007342/?sfnsn=xmmo Ian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, pinky coffeeboat said: Have you started the turret mount? If not hold on... Jeff standing by This is only to do ZH847 because there seem to be several (and I have the Tiger's head ready) types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, limeypilot said: I think you ( especially Crisp) might like this, especially with the talk of limited space..... https://www.facebook.com/groups/812442282225658/permalink/1521292038007342/?sfnsn=xmmo Ian love it, ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 I sometimes forget how nice early Frog mouldings were This set of rocket projectiles was from my elderly Frog Typhoon which didnt need the rockets because I built her as a car door Bombphoon, first time out back modelling after thirty odd years This is to be one of six Luckily I have a few, two sprues/runners of them These are destined to be the forward mounting fairings on the Defensive Suite attachment points, once they have been suitably carved When the gear is mounted they sit proud of the racking and so they need to be fitted, so does the brace at the back of each rail too I have lots of U section of various sizes Do you see the various extra carbuncles along the sides, teardrop shaped doohdahs? Busy making those at the mo' too, whatever they are they need to be seen Anyway, laters chapses 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky coffeeboat Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, perdu said: standing by This is only to do ZH847 because there seem to be several (and I have the Tiger's head ready) types Ok. There were two types of installation. I won't go too much into details but the first installation was a "strap-it-on anyway you can" modification. The various parts of the EO/IR (colloquially called "Wescam" because that's what it's called) were scattered throughout the airframe leading to various quite prominent looms running along the underside of the fuselage from the turret to the master computer unit located in the tail, This was the Mk1 standard. The aircraft had an additional dedicated GPS aerial for the Wescam. This lead to there being two tail rotor drive shaft fairings with GPS aerials fitted. Note the black electrical loom on the underside. This is the connection from the turret to its computer - like I said, it was an after thought!! With the Mk2 and a whole better standard (though that's debatable ...) of system integration and spare capacity allowing newer equipment and add-ons to be "easily" fitted, the design of the installation was altered. The equipment was relocated removing the external looms. The turret mounts are fiited to the existing right hand weapons hard points. The turret on the Mk2 features a cover over the connecting electrical cables on the top - merely weatherproofing the connections. I will refrain from showing the Mk2 installation, suffice to say that the most visible difference (from a modelling perpective) is the black loom seen in the pictures above go into the airframe just beside the turret mount and don't run along the underside to the tail. The turret mount is different being smaller in size. Another edit, I really must think before pressing the submit button. There is a RAM screen fitted to the corner of the airframe in the area of the radome - obviuosly to prevent the turret being fried by the radar. Again two types are available. In the upper pictures the RAM strake is a simple flat "board" but on the Mk2 it's a bit different being thicker in size and much more aerodynamically shaped. No doubt I'll edit again as I read this post.. HTH Jeff Edited March 8, 2019 by pinky coffeeboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky coffeeboat Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Told you Here is a pintrest picture not mine, showing the newer RAM strake and lack of external loom. Jeff 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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