KRK4m Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Trying to build a US UH-60A from Desert Storm I'm unable to find any comparison (or even a single review) of various 1/72 Black Hawk kits avilable on the market. What are your opinions? Have you ever compared the UH-60A by Hasegawa, Fujimi, Revell, Hobbycraft, Italeri/Tamiya and HobbyBoss? Is really the 1970s vintage Hasegawa still the best 1/72 option on the market? Cheers Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverkite Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 For me it's 50/50 between Italeri and Hasegawa, I'm not expert but wasted time comparing both kits against SOAR birds when OFP Resistance received the BAS Black Hawks addons and I entered in that territory to make at least a DAP conversion and a Pave Hawk, both have something that the other kit doesn't so you either pick the one with the most accurate fuselage and slap the good parts of the other kit on it Italeri got reboxed by Revell and Tamiya, once had all the Revell reboxes but as for now the only one left in my stash is the Desert Hawk, for what I'm aware of Revell never modified or added some extra parts like they did Italeri AB-212 and AB-412 Fujimi and Hobbyboss have a slender nose and do look funny Hobbycraft is either their own abomination copy of Hasegawa's moulds or something else which should be avoided Luigi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I agree with Luigi, for what it's worth. I have the UH-60A, HH-60D, MH-60E, and SH-60G, and they all look very nice, nicer that the Fujimi kits, which I also have. I'm not a rotary-wing authority, but I seem to recall the Hasegawa kits getting good kit reviews. I would think, though, that being older releases they would not have some of the lumps and warts that have appeared during the various upgrade cycles. You might try looking at the rotary wing modeling website I have linked below to see what they say. I'm sure one of our resident authorities will be along shortly to give you a more definitive answer. Sorry! Mike http://www.scale-rotors.com/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I am also far from being a Hawk authority, but don’t think Revell ever had a kit of their own - they reboxed the Fujimi when they briefly cooperated with Fujimi in the mid/late 80s, and later it should be Italeri. In 1/100, they had the ACE kits also reboxed by AccMin. As for reviews, certainly there was an Airfix mag of 1985 having Hawk reviews, might have been January (or possibly December). @Richard Humm will likely be able to support; not sure if Aeroflight.UK has content listings, but might be worth a try. Hobbycraft with 99.9 probability is a copy of either Hase or Fujimi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vultures1 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Again, I am no authority but I got a reasonable result (or at least one that satisfied me) some years ago when making an Australian S-70 by kit-bashing the Hasegawa and Italeri kits together and using the best from each. If I recall correctly, I fitted the Italeri interior inside the Hasegawa fuselage (Italeri has a cabin roof, Hasegawa doesn't), with the Italeri vertical tail and exhaust shrouds, plus whichever sundry elements looked best from each kit. Just a thought... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantome Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 FYI the latest Revell reboxing of the Italeri kit has Desert Storm markings. Also unlike many other releases the Hellfire missile decals are actually yellow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRK4m Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 IIRC Hasegawa's only faults are plain (with no ribs) tailplane and lack of cabin roof. According to Scalemates the Hobbycraft kit is a rebox of earlier IDEA (neither Hasegawa nor Fujimi) one. Nevertheless thank you for your interest - I must examine the Italeri/Revell one closer. Cheers Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Idea was a Korean copycat organisation who tooled some original kits for Hobbycraft, but the Hawk is with almost certainty a clone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Humm Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 11 hours ago, tempestfan said: I am also far from being a Hawk authority, but don’t think Revell ever had a kit of their own - they reboxed the Fujimi when they briefly cooperated with Fujimi in the mid/late 80s, and later it should be Italeri. In 1/100, they had the ACE kits also reboxed by AccMin. As for reviews, certainly there was an Airfix mag of 1985 having Hawk reviews, might have been January (or possibly December). @Richard Humm will likely be able to support; not sure if Aeroflight.UK has content listings, but might be worth a try. Hobbycraft with 99.9 probability is a copy of either Hase or Fujimi. I think you're thinking of the September 1985 Airfix Magazine, Claus. That has a six and a bit page article on the real H-60 series (two pages of which are a Pilot Press cutaway of the SH-60B probably originally published in Air International) and brief reviews of the Hasegawa UH-60A and SH-60B. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 As a hot tip, stay FAR AWAY from the Hobby boss kit... I barely looks like a UH-60. I bought it at a craft store for not much, and that was too much. decidedly not worth it. I did throw it together for a joke, and it is horrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Richard Humm said: I think you're thinking of the September 1985 Airfix Magazine, Claus. That has a six and a bit page article on the real H-60 series (two pages of which are a Pilot Press cutaway of the SH-60B probably originally published in Air International) and brief reviews of the Hasegawa UH-60A and SH-60B. That‘s the one Richard. Memory says the cover has a Medevac bird flying into the camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARDOG Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 And, I will add that the Italeri cabin seats (the support struts positions) are more correct than the Hasegawa ones. The Hasegawa seats "look" good but the support struts are vertical, when they should be at 45° angles. WARDOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT7567 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 12/18/2018 at 2:59 PM, tempestfan said: Idea was a Korean copycat organisation who tooled some original kits for Hobbycraft, but the Hawk is with almost certainty a clone. I can confirm the Hobbycraft kit is a mediocre copy of the Hasegawa - all the usual trademarks: slightly different sprue layout, softer detailing, and (based on dry fit of major components) poor fit. From in-box comparisons I'd agree with the previous assessments that Italeri (or Revell, Tamiya, or Testors reboxes) or Hasegawa are comparable. In general the Hasegawa kit doesn't seem to have been updated as well so if you're going for a modern bird that may give Italeri the edge (though you may still need aftermarket). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARDOG Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 REALLY wish SOMEBODY would make resin updates for MEDEVAC birds and corrected cockpits (where are the collectives?) for the Hasegawa 72nd kits! WARDOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 AFAIK, only one version of the Italeri kit has the Hover IR Suppression System (HIRSS) which is almost universal in the Blackhawk fleet. The aftermarket manufacturer Armycast does resin versions of them, unfortunately with intake covers molded on. Regards, Murph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre B Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 The Italeri kit has one problem but an hard one. Those sidewindows on the nose just doesn't fit. They are too small. I think one need one Italeri and one Hasegawa kit to get one Black Hawk... Cheers / André Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vultures1 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Andre B said: I think one need one Italeri and one Hasegawa kit to get one Black Hawk... Yep, that's what I did: insert the Italeri interior into the Hasegawa fuselage, adding Italeri HIRSS exhausts and tail unit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre B Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 On 6/6/2019 at 6:23 PM, Murph said: AFAIK, only one version of the Italeri kit has the Hover IR Suppression System (HIRSS) which is almost universal in the Blackhawk fleet. The aftermarket manufacturer Armycast does resin versions of them, unfortunately with intake covers molded on. Regards, Murph Which one? Cheers / André Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 11 hours ago, Andre B said: Which one? Cheers / André André I'm going on memory here, but it had desert markings (tan paint scheme), and may have been labeled as a "Desert Hawk". Regards, Murph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vultures1 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Murph said: I'm going on memory here, but it had desert markings (tan paint scheme), and may have been labeled as a "Desert Hawk". Regards, Murph Yep, the 'Desert Hawk' boxing has HIRSS exhausts for sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre B Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Murph said: André I'm going on memory here, but it had desert markings (tan paint scheme), and may have been labeled as a "Desert Hawk". Regards, Murph Yes, I noticed that on my own kits. I have three unfinished kits because those bad clear parts in the nose... 😞 Cheers / André Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoZG Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/13/2019 at 6:27 PM, Vultures1 said: Yep, the 'Desert Hawk' boxing has HIRSS exhausts for sure The latest "Night Raid"boxing doesn't have it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 On 12/18/2018 at 11:05 AM, KRK4m said: I'm unable to find any comparison (or even a single review) of various 1/72 Black Hawk kits avilable on the market. I hope these can be helpful: https://modelingmadness.com/scott/mod/fujimi/hh60dpreview.htm https://modelingmadness.com/review/mod/kuijpersh60jpreview.htm (it's a Seahawk but hopefully still useful) https://modelingmadness.com/review/mod/previews/hobbyboss/87216.htm https://modelingmadness.com/scott/mod/previews/hobbyboss/87231.htm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vultures1 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 16 hours ago, MarkoZG said: The latest "Night Raid"boxing doesn't have it? The HIRSS exhausts are illustrated on the box art here and I am pretty sure I can see them on the first sprue photo here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyf117 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) Content withdrawn - I will NOT be threatened by a moderator, simply because I queried the actions of another... Edited June 27, 2020 by andyf117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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