exdraken Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) After the Civil War, Spain needed new equipment.... Franco turned to its only Allie Germany and finally ordered under "Plan Bär" or "plan bear" BF109 F fighters, Ju-88 A4 bombers 20 Panzer IV Ausf. H, Sd.Kfz. 161/2 with KwK 40 L/48 75 mm, 10 StugIII Gs and more other stuff..... Most of the Panzers and Stugs were later sold to Syria, where they fought Israel in the Golan.... interesting history.... (Israel on the other hand used BF109 derivatives earlier....) This is Tamiyas older J model with metal hull , afaik, not much is needed (if at all?) to convert it to a Spanish H model... Spanish PIV Hs: http://mychannel-net.blogspot.com/2013/01/spanish-panzer-iv.html http://mychannel-net.blogspot.com/2013/01/sapnish-panzer-iv-need-more.html and some more info in Spanish (a lot more than PIVs!) https://www.mve2gm.es/paises/españa-nacional/adquisicion-de-material-militar-extranjero/ and I found some decals (also available in 1/35 for you regular Armour builders ...) 1/48: http://www.fcmodeltrend.com/48201-panzer-iv-stug-iii-m8-y-m20-in-spain-148-scale-p-1-51-480/#1 and I ordered a RB models barrel --- what else is obligatory? --- you know, I am not the Armour specialist has anyone of you more/ additional information!? thanks! Werner Edited January 18, 2019 by exdraken 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig Eater Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Nice to see some more unusual builds. What colours where the Spanish tanks painted? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaStix Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Hi Werner. Great to see one of the Tamiya 1/48 kits being built and, as Mig Eater said, a more unusual build. I have one of these kits in the stash so I will be very interested to see yours in progress. Kind regards, Stix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Hola, Werner... If you're looking for a good colour match, Humbrol 179, "french artillery green" will do the part. That was the colour of all Spanish Army AFVs, from early forties to late eighties. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Great choice, and a nice bit of research werner, different 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoat2966 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Yes, it is nice to a varied subject in the GB....looking forward to seeing the end results.... Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancisGL Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 A special subject, watch with interest... Cheers mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaStix Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Hi Werner. Just wondering if there has been any progress? I'm now thinking that I might make this kit from my stash if I get my current project finished early. I could do with you making a start so I can take notes! Kind regards, Stix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) so, finally some modelling time again! in the meantime all accessories have arrived safely, fcmodeltips decals, some RB stuff and ABER turret skirts from Valencia in record time! thanks! some more RB barrels and shells directly from RB models in Poland some plastic cut... my second non-flying thing.... and I love it... make 16x ... and 8x.. repeat 4 times.. wheels not glued yet, will have to find a way of painting them and especially the black rubber areas... but immediately look impressive! On 12/23/2018 at 4:00 PM, PlaStix said: Hi Werner. Just wondering if there has been any progress? I'm now thinking that I might make this kit from my stash if I get my current project finished early. I could do with you making a start so I can take notes! Kind regards, Stix you taking notes from me.... kidding ?? @Artie thanks, the instructions have to possible paint schemes: the lighter one you seem to reference, and much more dark one.... hmmmm On 12/17/2018 at 7:13 PM, Artie said: Hola, Werner... If you're looking for a good colour match, Humbrol 179, "french artillery green" will do the part. That was the colour of all Spanish Army AFVs, from early forties to late eighties. Edited December 28, 2018 by exdraken 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaStix Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Great your stuff has arrived and you look to have made a great start. Very nicely done. Kind regards, Stix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 😁, armour can be a little repetitive in the wheels area can't it, solid job so far werner, as for painting tyres, at least we don't have to be too precise, mud, dust and field applied cammo are our friends here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 that is the good side of modelling tanks, it soon, very soon looks like one! barrel will be replaced with the RB one ... not sure if necessary, 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) so, barrel replaced with the RB one the one with the not fully round muzzle brake front part (for whatever reason this is done!) not sure if I dare to tackle these metal turret skirts.... ABER recommends soldering the part.... no way....! see also the middle guide wheels, they seem to be the early style.... luckily Tamiya provides both! cheers, Werner Edited December 30, 2018 by exdraken 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 On 12/28/2018 at 5:13 PM, exdraken said: the lighter one you seem to reference, and much more dark one.... hmmmm Well, according to the instructions sheet, the lighter, ealier colour is some kind of "primer" (similar to german "dunkelgelb")...the darkest one, Vallejo 71044, is quite close to RLM02. Can't agree. during the aerly 40s, the spanish army lorries and AFVs, were painted in a mid grey colour, later to be changed to a darkest kaki green shade, close to Humbrol 179, a colour that was kept until Spain entered the NATO during the mid 80s. That kaki green quickly faded into a very tatty "light green". whenever they received an overpaint, tings turned even more funny. When they arrived to Spain in 1943, they were painted in german "dunkelgelb", with grey primer guns. Some sources claim the tanks had some zimmerit applied over their vertical surfaces, wich was quicly removed when repainted. I don't think so, they didn't have any zimmerit at all. That was just the case with the Stugs wich came at the same time.... When they first arrived to Spain, december 1943.. B/W pic...."guess the colour" game beguins.... Museum example...overpainted in Dunkelgelb after being restored later kaki green colour, with traces of the original dunkelgelb showing through the turret armour 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaStix Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Hi Werner. Excellent progress and that barrel looks great! Kind regards, Stix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Artie said: Well, according to the instructions sheet, the lighter, ealier colour is some kind of "primer" (similar to german "dunkelgelb")...the darkest one, Vallejo 71044, is quite close to RLM02. Can't agree. during the aerly 40s, the spanish army lorries and AFVs, were painted in a mid grey colour, later to be changed to a darkest kaki green shade, close to Humbrol 179, a colour that was kept until Spain entered the NATO during the mid 80s. That kaki green quickly faded into a very tatty "light green". whenever they received an overpaint, tings turned even more funny. When they arrived to Spain in 1943, they were painted in german "dunkelgelb", with grey primer guns. Some sources claim the tanks had some zimmerit applied over their vertical surfaces, wich was quicly removed when repainted. I don't think so, they didn't have any zimmerit at all. That was just the case with the Stugs wich came at the same time.... thanks Artie!! regarding the Zimmerit, I am not too sure... in 1943 it was still applied from the Krupp factory apparently... definitely removed later! depending if this photo is of a Spanish one after all, you'd probably recognize their uniform... https://www.mve2gm.es/paises/españa-nacional/adquisicion-de-material-militar-extranjero/ whatever... have to come up with some Revell color mix....... Edited December 30, 2018 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) Yes, that's a spanish army Stug. They were intended to be used as infantry support vehicles. Postwar, a rocket launcher was developed using a Stug III chassis... Don't you have any Humbrol 179??? Edited December 30, 2018 by Artie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 30, 2018 Author Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Artie said: Don't you have any Humbrol 179??? hmm, .... no hard to get in Austria.... might be even discontinued..... hard to find anywhere! Edited December 30, 2018 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Sorry for the late arrival but you're off to a great start. Artie's pictures show the two major differences especially the photo with the three young ladies in it. The small muffler on the hull rear is for the auxiliary engine. Main body is an oval with a rim at top and bottom. The felt bag pre-filters are the other main change. The pipes from the rear run horizontally into the engine compartment through the slats which they kink to clear. The opening is covered by the small plate clearly visible. The return rollers in the Tamiya kit are the all steel type. The Spanish tanks have the rubber tyred version. The kit parts (A10) can be modified quite easily. Carefully carve away the outer ridge without reducing the diameter or thickness. Measure the outside diameter of the central ring and drill holes to clear it in plastic card a tiny bit thinner than the raised ring. I find it best to drill the holes in oversized scraps and, when glued trim to fit. Job done. The Tamiya kit has now been released as a Late Ausf H with a small sprue adding the auxiliary muffler, hull schutzern, a commander torso figure, and I think the all plastic tub. Overall it is quite decent but, if doing some conversions be aware that the hull is about 1.5mm too short and this translates to the fighting compartment being about 2mm short. Final thought use Tamiya extra thin on the tracks. Assemble a section to one of the long runs and fit to the hull when holding together but still movable. Once set repeat until you get to the end. As the tracks seem to be sized for the full length hull you may need to fit one link less each side. If your kit has the ejector pin marks on the inside face I'd strongly advise dealing with them before you remove them from the sprue. I didn't do this the first time, I haven't forgotten since. Thanks for the decal link bookmarked for future purchase. Humbrol 179 is discontinued according to the paint chart downloadable HERE. Another useful colour that needs bringing back. If you use acrylics I think an e-mail to one of the Spanish manufacturers will put you right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) thanks @SleeperService! I guess I would never ave notices, not that my back rollers are full steel, nor the small muffler and of course less so the big filters!!! just to make sure, we are talking the red circled items, no? Edited January 4, 2019 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 We certainly are Sir! I've seen Spanish vehicles with both types of return roller but the modification isn't difficult. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 perfect then my FIRST afv scratch endeavour ... improvabel.... sure yes! but.... not so sure if the return rollers are all that obvious when painted,.....hmmm 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Nice improvements werner, devil's in the details 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaStix Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 That's looking rather excellent. Lovely progress! Kind regards, Stix 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancisGL Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Good scratch!, looks nice... Cheers mate 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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