72modeler Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 For those who were involved in our earlier discussion on these Liberator conversions, I found this photo collection- there are many I haven't seen before, and I hope you haven't, as well! Mike http://www.axis-and-allies-paintworks.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?356 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Puff Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Nice! Thanks for that - bookmarked for future reference ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Thank you Mike! That one is very temptating I wonder if only leading edge is NMF (and engines) since there is some dark behind the edge. Bottom of wings (and end of ncelles) look like neutral gray, isn't? Cheers J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 hours ago, JWM said: Thank you Mike! That one is very temptating I wonder if only leading edge is NMF (and engines) since there is some dark behind the edge. Bottom of wings (and end of ncelles) look like neutral gray, isn't? Cheers J-W JW- I think you're right. The bare metal leading edges on the wings and horizontal stabilizers is due to the deicer boots being removed, I think. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve N Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just FYI, several of those photos are LB-30s converted to transport configuration (identifiable by the non-turbosupercharched engines in circular cowls.) Similar to the C-87, but not the same. The C-87 was transport variant of the B-24D. SN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweener Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 It would be nice to see Maquette try to make one of these, but I don't recall Frog having a B-24 on their list. I'm sure somebody out there will make one of these into a kit eventually though. Until then, I can only dream. Perhaps an SB-24 would be nice too? Thanks for the photos, they will make a great add to the collection I have going. I am hoping by July first next year I will have a massive collection that I can somehow share with BM, while allowing others to add in any that they may have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Steve N said: (identifiable by the non-turbosupercharched engines in circular cowls.) In side shots the good identifier are exhaust pipes just behind the cowling in LB 30 or like in B 24 D with all turbo instalation at the end of engine fairings . Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 8 hours ago, 72modeler said: JW- I think you're right. The bare metal leading edges on the wings and horizontal stabilizers is due to the deicer boots being removed, I think. Mike The bare angines and nose suggest that there was idea of reducing drag perheps. Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 9 hours ago, JWM said: The bare angines and nose suggest that there was idea of reducing drag perheps. Cheers J-W Or all four engines were changed as a QEC. I found another pair of links to specs and histories that might be useful. If Academy had been thinking, they could have easily engineered their B-24D kit so it could be built as a C-87A. Basically a new set of fuselage halves and transparencies would have done it. Mike http://www.aerofiles.com/JBconso-c87.html http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_bombers/b24_26.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 42-30524 is not an LB30 serial, nor that of any British Lib. So for some reason the USAF has removed the turbocharged engines from one of their C-87s and replaced them with these. As I recall, Ernest K.Gann was scathing about the C-87 in his biography Fate Is The Hunter, , claiming that flying it it bore little resemblance to their B-24 cousins. Perhaps he encountered one of these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Graham Boak said: 42-30524 is not an LB30 serial, nor that of any British Lib. So for some reason the USAF has removed the turbocharged engines from one of their C-87s and replaced them with these. As I recall, Ernest K.Gann was scathing about the C-87 in his biography Fate Is The Hunter, , claiming that flying it it bore little resemblance to their B-24 cousins. Perhaps he encountered one of these? Graham- I'm pretty sure the serial on the C-87 in the photo posted is not 42-30524, but I think it's 43-30624, which is listed as a bona fide C-87. It looked like -30524 to me at first, but then I took a closer look at the image enlarged, and -30624 checks as an actual C-87 serial. So according to the data I found, it would have had the turbosupercharged R-1830's fitted from the outset. It would be an impressive and different-appearing model, though! I hope I got this one right! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 On 12/11/2018 at 2:00 AM, JWM said: In side shots the good identifier are exhaust pipes just behind the cowling in LB 30 or like in B 24 D with all turbo instalation at the end of engine fairings . Cheers J-W And if the angle of the photo permits, the absence of the half moon-shaped intercooler intakes on ether side of the cowling lip also identifies the non-turbo equipped LB-30's, as they had circular cowl rings with the carburetor intakes just inside. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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