Space Ranger Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Is that 1/72? Looks a bit small, unless those are 1/48 missiles and drop tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 It is a bit bigger than a Javelin so maybe it is deceptively shot - I was rooting around for the biggest drop tanks etc. that I could find to try and stay in proportion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 Meanwhile, back on the ranch... DH117 ready for download and a first run at printing (along with a couple of Red Dean missiles for the wingtips) and after a bit more work on the Saunders Roe I thin k this might even be ready for a test print as well 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Since I needed an example for the 3D print bit of site to talk about a bit of Fusion 360 I started a fresh plane - the Armstrong Whitworth AW58 which never saw the light of day as the English Electric P.1 was preferred (I wonder whatever became of it) So, general shape compared to the planned plane - no innards or cockpit to speak of yet but the general shape is well on the way And here it is as it currently stands, a bit basking shark like with that oval gob open but hopefully as I add innards and details it'll start to grow on me. Squished mig-15ish 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I see some MiG influence, all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 11 hours ago, Space Ranger said: I see some MiG influence, all right. The article I’ve got on it describes wing fences at 50% and 70% of span although the sketches don’t show them. I’m swithering on whether to add them as I fear it’ll become even more MiGish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 That Saunders Roe wouldn't look out of place in a 50s scifi film! How I'm picturing your studio after printing Alastair: 😁 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 49 minutes ago, TheBaron said: That Saunders Roe wouldn't look out of place in a 50s scifi film! How I'm picturing your studio after printing Alastair: 😁 When Worlds Collide? Love that era of Sci-Fi films. That’s how I aspire the workshop to look eventually but at the moment everything is piled haphazardly in the loft as I’m between workshops so it looks like a fossil dig in the middle of a geometry convention with part finished hominid, sabre toothed cat and dinosair printed skulls and lots of lasercut scultures are mounded up The SR does have a firm Thunderbird 2 thing going on. The raising/lowering nose really adds a bit of retrofuturism 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) Lo and behold! It has innards and a canopy. Still doesn’t look very charismatic mind you. The more I work on it the less I like the lines of it. Wheel bays, undercarriage, leading edge slats and maybe a rudimentary seat and then it is possibly time to print and see how it looks in the flesh. Most things look better once they’ve gained a roundel or two and got some serial numbers on them Edited July 30, 2020 by LostCosmonauts 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 No two ways about it - this plane is ugly as sin. I've faffed about adding wheel bays and undercarriage and growing to like it less and less. I'm not sure even some roundels and a sharkmouth could rescue this monstrosity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorby Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 13 hours ago, LostCosmonauts said: this plane is ugly as sin. Odd that you say that - I like it. I certainly think it looks better than the Lightning in my opinion. And I think it's remarkable that this was designed in the 1950's, only a few years after the Spitfire was the pinnacle of fighter development. (Having said that, it definitely looks better from the side than that 'hungry mouth' front view). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gorby said: Odd that you say that - I like it. I certainly think it looks better than the Lightning in my opinion. And I think it's remarkable that this was designed in the 1950's, only a few years after the Spitfire was the pinnacle of fighter development. (Having said that, it definitely looks better from the side than that 'hungry mouth' front view). Even earlier than that, I think it was about 1948 that this was drawn up. That Lightning point is one I keep coming back to - the P1A initial sketches also looked a bit unpromising but it blossomed once it had grown past gawky adolescence I might do a 2nd version based on the tailed delta, Sapphire engined redraft and print and finish both off to compare 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 I have to concede the point to @Gorby and say that I'm finding it less and less ugly now that it is closer to the point of printing plastic (and having checked in Tony Buttler's Secret Projects book 1 it is very clear that the P.1 at the same point in development was no oil painting) @Mattlow - this is where I ended up with that model I was using for our discussion about lofting and rails So. Checking it out against the drawings... not looking too bad In dim light, from the right angle and after a couple of drinks it might even consider itself ok looking. Add the couple of 30mm cannons specified and you almost have a 2nd generation jet fighter Exported as the stl with wheels up, wheels down and as a kit of parts it almost looks like it has a bit of purpose about it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlow Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Nice work Alistair I'm struggling along with my learning. It has the look of Kurt Tank's Pulqui II, a design he took to Argentina after the war. Matt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Been watching this last one with some interest as the AW58 (a type I’d never come across before) has my initials and birth year. Must say it looks like a cross between a MiG 15/17 and an F-100. AW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Andwil said: Must say it looks like a cross between a MiG 15/17 and an F-100. I was thinking that exact same thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Andwil said: Been watching this last one with some interest as the AW58 (a type I’d never come across before) has my initials and birth year. Must say it looks like a cross between a MiG 15/17 and an F-100. AW Now that seems like destiny. If this prints out ok would you like the prototype parts to assemble for your collection? I’ve got a lot of other half-done projects to do so there’s every chance that this’d languish for ages waiting for me to get round to doing it 5 hours ago, Mattlow said: It has the look of Kurt Tank's Pulqui II, a design he took to Argentina after the war. It does, reading the chapter on early transonic designs that led to the Fairey Deltas and English Electric P.1 there were a couple that had that look about them. A Fairey swept wing proposal, a Bristol and a Gloster... hmmm... I can feel a new to-do list brewing in the back of my mind already 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 6 hours ago, LostCosmonauts said: Now that seems like destiny. If this prints out ok would you like the prototype parts to assemble for your collection? I’ve got a lot of other half-done projects to do so there’s every chance that this’d languish for ages waiting for me to get round to doing it That’s a very generous offer, it would certainly be something unique for my collection. AW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Andwil said: That’s a very generous offer, it would certainly be something unique for my collection. AW No problem, you’re taking an item off my to-do list. Once I’ve got a real version in hand just drop me a line with your address (I probably owe @Aardvark one as well as a thanks for helping with the background info) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just found your thread, I'm liking what you are doing. As a one time industrial modelmaker, I used to do this sort of thing out of solid timber. I'm no computer 'fundi' (expert) so looking at the scematic drawings is interesting. I do like the Saro and Avro aircraft. I'll follow with interst. Colin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted August 4, 2020 Author Share Posted August 4, 2020 Weather has been miserable so I cracked on this afternoon with reworking the AW.58 into the slightly larger tailed delta and reheated Sapphire engine development of the original design. Still needs wheels etc. but... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted August 4, 2020 Author Share Posted August 4, 2020 On 03/08/2020 at 11:44, heloman1 said: Just found your thread, I'm liking what you are doing. As a one time industrial modelmaker, I used to do this sort of thing out of solid timber. I'm no computer 'fundi' (expert) so looking at the scematic drawings is interesting. I do like the Saro and Avro aircraft. I'll follow with interst. Colin I'm a long way from being a computer expert - I was a scientist by training but always drew so I'm kind of learning as I go. today's revelation has been in how to add surface features like airbrakes and panel lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted August 4, 2020 Author Share Posted August 4, 2020 I've had a bit more quiet contemplation and time to have a play with this so it now has legs and had a bit of a tidy up. Another one ready to test print (and I like this iteration of the design rather more than I did the first) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 The delta wing configuration somehow looks more “British” and less “Russian”. AW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qn30jEkPz7 Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Andwil said: The delta wing configuration somehow looks more “British” and less “Russian”. AW With the T-tail it looks from some angles like the Short SB5, in others like a mini-Javelin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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