bertopinal Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I'm finishing my Trumpeter 1/48 Wivern in the colours of the 830 Sqdn during the Suez campaign. A terrible doubt : the spinner and the finlets where red as indicated in the instruction or maroon as indicated in a old SAM article ? TIA Roberto from Italy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar57 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) I used Tamiya XF-9 Hull Red which is kind of maroonish EDIT: the diagonal strip on the finlet wasn't added during the campaign. Rockets weren't used until the end of the campaign but the rails were still on the wings and no RATOG. Aircraft at the start of the conflict had call signs painted out Edited November 25, 2018 by fubar57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertopinal Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, fubar57 said: I used Tamiya XF-9 Hull Red which is kind of maroonish EDIT: the diagonal strip on the finlet wasn't added during the campaign. Rockets weren't used but the rails were still on the wings and no RATOG. Some aircraft at the start of the conflict didn't have nose numbers applied yet Many thanks. No idea of Humbrol equivalent of XF-9 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar57 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Have a look at Humbrol 73 - Wine or Humbrol 177 - Hull Red. I don't have the colours handy but on Google Images I like 73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar57 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Just found this chart and it says 73 is a match for XF-9...https://docplayer.net/21107930-Humbrol-conversions-to-other-paint-manufacturers.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 The spinner and finlets were maroon, the latter with yellow diagonals. The colours were referred to as plum and custard. Source. A history of the Westland Wyvern, from the Blackbushe Aviation Research Group, 3rd edition 1975. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar57 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Amended Post #2 to mention that call signs as well as the yellow finlet stripe weren't used during the campaign. In a photo one aircraft, #371 didn't have campaign stripes added yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar57 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) This is the aircraft of Lt. Cdr. “Smokey” Cowling moments before bailing out on Day 5 of the campaign, note lack of finlet stripe and numbers. I received a letter from his nephew after I posted the model on line and in it he mentioned what was happening in the photo. Unknown to me, most Wyvern pilots were killed or seriously wounded during ejection and no one knew why. "Smokey" radioed his wingman to take a photo of him bailing out to possibly record what may have occured to the other pilots. His nephew said "Smokey" regretted the photo mis-timing of the bailout without finding an answer Edited November 26, 2018 by fubar57 freakin' negative typos man and made the closing sentence a little clearer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 11 hours ago, fubar57 said: Amended Post #2 to mention that call signs as well as the yellow finlet stripe weren't used during the campaign. In 'Wyvern from the cockpit' by Michael J Doust there is a picture taken in November 1956 (another source says December) on HMS Eagle,of 830 Sqn's Wyverns,370,371,373 and 378 with the Suez stripes. They do not have the stripe on the fillet. A slightly later picture shows the aircraft with tanks,empty rocket rails and a 1000lb bomb on the centre line pylon.Full Suez stripes,nose codes painted out (but 'J' still on tail) No fillet stripe. The Squadron colour was actually 'Royal Purple' ( Source above book/Commander John Dunphy) The only reference to the fillet stripes is that they were there for 'most of their service' CO had three 'Golden Yellow' stripes on the finlet (WN328/371J) Senior Pilot two stripes (WN326/375J) and the rest,one. The fact that the above two aircraft have their codes on the rear fuselage indicates pre-Suez (Codes on nose by that time) so at a guess the finlet stripes were removed around that time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertopinal Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 OMG ! the confusion is growing under the sky... Many thanks to all for the replies. r. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 EDIT: IGNORE THIS.See next post by @Graham Boak I had that nagging feeling that I had seen a photo of the Wyverns of 830 Sqn with no Suez stripes,no code numbers and with the fillet stripe. I dug through my collection and found it. Sorry to add to the confusion but at least you now have a variety so you don't have to have the model finished the same as everybody else! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Looks like a number aft of the roundel on the first aircraft - J was 328 and that could well be an 8. I can't make out the three stripes on the finlet, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Graham Boak said: Looks like a number aft of the roundel You are correct,I never saw that. I cannot remember the source of the photo but I had it filed under 'Suez' but with your observation that now appears wrong. It only has the one stripe (much clearer on original) @bertopinal Ignore my last post! Just treat it like a nice Wyvern photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertopinal Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 Thanks to all for the reply. Finally, after a long and deep dig in my colours wharehouse, i decided to use the Revell M 37 reddish brown : a bit of red and a bit of maroon, just in middle... Finally, right or wrong is my Wivern ... 😛 https://www.flickr.com/photos/160715996@N03/ r. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) I went with maroon and after a search, used Railmatch Authentic Colour306 BR Maroon Edited November 26, 2018 by Tony C 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham T Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, Tony C said: I went with maroon and after a search, used Railmatch Authentic Colour306 BR Maroon Blimey, what model is THAT? Beautiful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJP Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Tony C said: I went with maroon and after a search, used Railmatch Authentic Colour306 BR Maroon Fabulous Wyvern Tony C - one of Trumpeters successful kits - I had a look back at your original post of it as well as your Gannet but unfortunately Photobucket has done its deletion of the photos - would love to see photo some of your older models on BM CJP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 23 hours ago, Graham T said: Blimey, what model is THAT? Beautiful. 21 hours ago, CJP said: Fabulous Wyvern Tony C - one of Trumpeters successful kits - I had a look back at your original post of it as well as your Gannet but unfortunately Photobucket has done its deletion of the photos - would love to see photo some of your older models on BM CJP Thanks both, yes its the 1:48 Trumpeter Wyvern and as you say, one of their better kits! Wasn't aware that I'd used Photobucket, thought I'd migrated to Flikr by then but will certainly look into replacing them as time allows! As for the Railmatch paints, if you can locate them, they are a useful source for the odd colours that occasionally pop up and also used them on the Classic Airframes Seahawk, that I finished in a Green/White Admiral's scheme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar57 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Very nice Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfergylee Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 On 25/11/2018 at 23:38, fubar57 said: This is the aircraft of Lt. Cdr. “Smokey” Cowling moments before bailing out on Day 5 of the campaign, note lack of finlet stripe and numbers. I received a letter from his nephew after I posted the model on line and in it he mentioned what was happening in the photo. Unknown to me, most Wyvern pilots were killed or seriously wounded during ejection and no one knew why. "Smokey" radioed his wingman to take a photo of him bailing out to possibly record what may have occured to the other pilots. His nephew said "Smokey" regretted the photo mis-timing of the bailout without finding an answer Sorry, I have to ask: what happened to Lt. Cdr. Cowling? Did he survive? Neil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fubar57 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Yes he did. I haven't been able to find some sort of biography on him yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 On 12/6/2018 at 12:56 PM, neilfergylee said: Sorry, I have to ask: what happened to Lt. Cdr. Cowling? Did he survive? Neil Well worth reading this, especially the last post https://forum.keypublishing.com/forum/historic-aviation/94156-wyvern-vs-mig-17-suez-1956/page2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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