Wojtek Bulhak Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Hello Modellers Here is first thread about Arma Hobby model kits in Manufacturers area in Britmodeller. See Rumouranger thread on topic here Today's news are test shots photos and report on armahobbynews.pl. Here are some sneak peek: Your comments and questions are welcome. More information you can find also here 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 That fabric covering looks sublime! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoZG Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Great subtle fabric effect. Hope you will correct the plastic sinking on radiator mesh. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beard Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 That looks rather nice, I will be buying one. Actually, I'll be buying more than one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) Looks absolutely lovely: can't wait. Hope there aren't other cases of the severe shrinkage apparent on the radiator core. Edited November 19, 2018 by Seahawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Please review the shape of the nose, the cross section is too pointy and slim at the front of the exhaust stacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) Shouldn`t both sides in between the wheels bays be pointy? I`m referring to this shot: Am I wrong or is a chunk missing from the plastic part there? If it`s a mistake I hope you`ll be able to correct it. In any case, great job with this project! I`m looking forward to the kit being released. Edited November 21, 2018 by Fin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Fin said: Shouldn`t both sides in between the wheels bays be pointy? I`m referring to this shot: Am I wrong or is a chunk missing from the plastic part there? If it`s a mistake I hope you`ll be able to correct it. In any case, great job with this project! I`m looking forward to the kit being released. Yep! That's definitely been short-shot. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, dogsbody said: Yep! That's definitely been short-shot. Chris Just a bit! Edited November 21, 2018 by Dave Fleming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrzeM Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 hours ago, dogsbody said: Yep! That's definitely been short-shot. While the questions of shapes will soon be explained and properly illustrated by @Wojtek Bulhak, I may assure you that the short-shots are normal on this level of the mould development and there are more of them (eg. aerial mast and rudder trailing edge). Initially diameter and number of the sprues delivering the plastic to the parts is often smaller than necessary and one of the mould correction phases is just improving the plastic flow in the sprues in order to properly fill the parts.. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojtek Bulhak Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 On 11/20/2018 at 10:38 PM, occa said: Please review the shape of the nose, the cross section is too pointy and slim at the front of the exhaust stacks Thank you for careful examination of Hurricane kit engine section. It's shape is somewhat tricky, and Marcin Ciepeirski designed it from factory drawings double checked with aeroplane photos. We try our best to design as accurate as possible model kit. Here are some pictures explaining: Model 3D redenderings have been already published on 28th July here and some minor shape issues were corrected after modellers comments. Photos of actual aeroplane are posted for discussion purposes only. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoZG Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) I always shake my head when someone places 2D plan over the photo of a 3D object in order to make any claim. Perspective distortion is often overlooked and this is the case why such comparisons lead to wrong conclusions. There are couple of chaps on the internet who developed their own methods of "straightening" the photo to real 2D proportion. One of them is the French guy with web nickname Waroff. He explained a bit of his method on French forum Patrouille Simple so please take a look there. Not claiming anything about Arma's Hurricane nose accuracy, I just wanted to draw the attention to the mistake of "drawing over photo" approach. To sum it up - if the drawing perfectly aligns with a photo means the drawing is too short. Edited November 22, 2018 by MarkoZG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojtek Bulhak Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, MarkoZG said: I just wanted to draw the attention to the mistake of "drawing over photo" approach. To sum it up - if the drawing perfectly aligns with a photo means the drawing is too short. Model kit nose shape is correct according to pictures posted above. Thank you for pointing out possible problems with photos distortion. If you are interested in 3D design work - it usually takes a lot of time working with photos and finding out aeroplane shape and details. Picture of factory drawing with photos is just a snapshot of the process. It is hard to explain the process on the forum shortly. You can find some more information about designer tricks here: https://airplanes3d.wordpress.com/2015/05/30/reverting-perspective-distortion-and-other-tricks/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Wojtek Bulhak said: Thank you for careful examination of Hurricane kit engine section. It's shape is somewhat tricky, and Marcin Ciepeirski designed it from factory drawings double checked with aeroplane photos. We try our best to design as accurate as possible model kit. Here are some pictures explaining: Model 3D redenderings have been already published on 28th July here and some minor shape issues were corrected after modellers comments. Photos of actual aeroplane are posted for discussion purposes only. That certainly looks like your approach is correct. Likely I got fooled by the photo of the test assembly in post #1 I am looking forward to see the kit in my hands 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojtek Bulhak Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, occa said: That certainly looks like your approach is correct. Likely I got fooled by the photo of the test assembly in post #1 I am looking forward to see the kit in my hands No problem. Plastic parts photos are misleading often. It is alway better to ask to have it clear. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoZG Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 23 hours ago, Wojtek Bulhak said: Model kit nose shape is correct according to pictures posted above. Thank you for pointing out possible problems with photos distortion. If you are interested in 3D design work - it usually takes a lot of time working with photos and finding out aeroplane shape and details. Picture of factory drawing with photos is just a snapshot of the process. It is hard to explain the process on the forum shortly. You can find some more information about designer tricks here: https://airplanes3d.wordpress.com/2015/05/30/reverting-perspective-distortion-and-other-tricks/ Thanks Wojtek, you understand what I was talking about. However, the method you gave the link to seems to be less accurate as it consists of assembling segments from different photos which is not entirely correct in geometrical and mathematical way. The only correct method I saw so far is the one here: http://lapatrouillesimple.forumgratuit.org/t543-photographies-et-plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 I agree with Occa that the drawing of the relevant section does capture the concerns we expressed. Excellent news. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horr!do Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Hello to Arma Hobby. Your kits are very nice. I like it. Hurricane looks awesome. But, please check your decals quality in your kits from Techmod. I build your Pzl.11c and decals was horrible. Decals no cooperate with decal solutions and setters and silverling a lot. Its very sad if some like decals ruins your good model kits. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojtek Bulhak Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 On 12/2/2018 at 7:04 PM, Horr!do said: Hello to Arma Hobby. Your kits are very nice. I like it. Hurricane looks awesome. But, please check your decals quality in your kits from Techmod. I build your Pzl.11c and decals was horrible. Decals no cooperate with decal solutions and setters and silverling a lot. Its very sad if some like decals ruins your good model kits. Thank you. Sorry for problems with decals. Hopefully it was just bad sheet, You can get new sheet free when you fill claim on http://www.armahobby.com/webpage/support-faq.html Generall problem with previous Techmod decals was they were to thin. Hurricane decals, as well as latest Fokker ones are new formula. We asked them for change and they made several tests and trials. Here are our tests of Fokker decals on Hurricane wing: They are much more durable, you can move them easily on wet surface. They do not stretch or wrap around themselves. Work well with decal solutions. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horr!do Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Thank you for answer. I'm very glad you're trying to keep quality. Decals are also an important part of the model. Especially when I like to make a camouflage of a Polish pilot.😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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