Eduard's new Hawker Tempest 1/48th scale. Wow!

[gunzo]

Hi

 

Can someone tell me the diameter and length of the Eduard spinner? It looks very close in shape to what I'm looking for in Sabre Fury (mildly modified Airfix Sea Fury) and Sea Hornet (mucho modified Classic Airframes) builds.

 

Thanks

 

les

[Zack]

Hello Jonners,

Thank you for sharing your build and your improvements with us.
 

I guess it is a bit frustrating to find that Eduard is now providing an updated spinner in their next release.

From what I can see they have added parts 29 to 33 to sprue 82120F, 29 being the backing and 30 the corrected spinner.

Must admit that I am curios to why they included two "incorrect" versions in the initial release?

Since I am sitting on 82121 I am all ears & eyes on your blog, will start on the cockpit cage while waiting for your next update.

And thank you for the hint on the IP!

Can I ask you for advice please;
1.) The Invasion Stripes at the time of September 44 (Market Garden), would that have been under wing only?

2.) The modifications of the canon ports, is that to provide for after market items?

Again, thank you for sharing!

 

Zack

 

Edited February 3, 2019 by Zack

[Jon Kunac-Tabinor]

2 hours ago, Zack said:

Hello Jonners,

Thank you for sharing your build and your improvements with us.
 

I guess it is a bit frustrating to find that Eduard is now providing an updated spinner in their next release.

From what I can see they have added parts 29 to 33 to sprue 82120F, 29 being the backing and 30 the corrected spinner.

Must admit that I am curios to why they included two "incorrect" versions in the initial release?

Since I am sitting on 82121 I am all ears & eyes on your blog, will start on the cockpit cage while waiting for your next update.

And thank you for the hint on the IP!

Can I ask you for advice please;
1.) The Invasion Stripes at the time of September 44 (Market Garden), would that have been under wing only?

2.) The modifications of the canon ports, is that to provide for after market items?

Again, thank you for sharing!

 

Zack

 

Hi Zack, thanks for looking. 

 

I guessed Eduard would include a corrected spinner etc in the Series 2 release, so it's no big deal. I wanted. Series 2 version  sooner so was happy to do the work, though it still means that people with the original boxing are left unhelped!

 

to answer your questions. 

 

Market Garden was over by 25th September and Tempests didn't arrive in Europe till the 28th September. So they wouldn't have taken part in the operation. By this stage stripes on undersurfaces only were needed, and by October only under the fuselage. 

 

The. Cannon ports mods were for brass tube , not any aftermarket.  My guess is the series 2 kit has the same problem?

 

cheers

 

Jonners

[Chris Thomas]

3 hours ago, Zack said:

 

 

Can I ask you for advice please;
1.) The Invasion Stripes at the time of September 44 (Market Garden), would that have been under wing only?

 

Zack

 

The answer to question 1. is that by Market Garden the Tempests should have been carrying Invasion Stripes under the rear fuselage only.  Stripes were removed from upper surfaces of wings and fuselage in early July 1944 and from underneath the wings between 25 August and 10 September.  Market Garden commenced a week after the latter date.

CT

PS Just seen your post Jonners.  True, the Tempests were not based in mainland Europe until 28 September but some UK-based squadrons did carry out some escorts and support of Market Garden.

Edited February 3, 2019 by Chris Thomas
Additional information

[Jon Kunac-Tabinor]

53 minutes ago, Chris Thomas said:

The answer to question 1. is that by Market Garden the Tempests should have been carrying Invasion Stripes under the rear fuselage only.  Stripes were removed from upper surfaces of wings and fuselage in early July 1944 and from underneath the wings between 25 August and 10 September.  Market Garden commenced a week after the latter date.

CT

PS Just seen your post Jonners.  True, the Tempests were not based in mainland Europe until 28 September but some UK-based squadrons did carry out some escorts and support of Market Garden.

As ever Chris, I stand corrected by your encyclopaedic knowledge. 

 

Cheers

 

Jonners

[anj4de]

On 11/11/2018 at 10:20 PM, Troy Smith said:

Thanks Jonners

 

That is impressive overall.

one little glitch carried over from before,  the shell ejection slots are narrower than the link slots

 

 

pic from here, which has lots of useful images

http://www.hawkertempest.se/index.php/indetail/walkarounds/298-walkaround-hawker-tempest-mk-v-tt-nv778

Also, how is the red/green light on the left of the pic above done in the kit? 

 

Also, the earliest series 1 plane had the fishplates on the rear fuselage join, and a bump over the wing spar bolts

 

 

 

Not meant to be negative, just a heads up that not all the little details maybe available in the box, unless the fishplates are supplied as PE?

 

HTH

T

Hi there

 

You mention...JN792-822 to be series 1 planes. Eduard has JN803 in their series 2 kit and there also is an photo available of that bird showing it with aux tanks. Can you explain that? I was thinking about doing this version from the kit I got last Friday...

 

thanks

Uwe

[Troy Smith]

15 minutes ago, anj4de said:

You mention...JN792-822 to be series 1 planes. Eduard has JN803 in their series 2 kit and there also is an photo available of that bird showing it with aux tanks. Can you explain that? I was thinking about doing this version from the kit I got last Friday...

the below is from @Chris Thomas  not me, but i have highlighted what seems relevant, 

Quote

As for Series 1 differences, I have copied below some notes on my findings, which appeared in Britmodeller elsewhere but are applied with further information.  Hope they help.

 

Cracking work so far.  Personally I'm sitting it out until the revised Tempest V (revised) finally arrives!

 

Tempest V Series 1 and 2

 

First let me say that difference between Series 1 and Series 2 Tempests is not entirely clear to me. The terms seem only to appear in Hawker records; I have yet to find an RAF record that mentions them, let alone defines them. Records of individual airframe status no longer survive so photographs (frustratingly few) provide the most reliable record, supplemented by official correspondence which states intent rather than the actual event.

 

By definition ‘Series 1’ Tempest Vs were the first production aircraft and somewhere in the the first batch (100 aircraft JN729-773, JN792-822, JN854-877) the Series 2 appeared (or after the first 100 some would have us believe). There were a number of changes in this period and I feel that the difference between Series 1 and Series 2 would have been defined by more than the replacement of long-barrelled cannon with the shorter variant (as usually cited). 

 

The first 50 Tempest Vs (presumably JN729 to JN773 and JN792-796) were built using the centre-sections from a cancelled Typhoon contract. This is the box-like structure, made from steel tubes, that sits between the wings. The Typhoon centre-section was very similar to the Tempest version but because of the latter’s slimmer wings, the wing root fairing would not quite fit over the Typhoon version. This resulted in a small blister over the offending structure which is evident in photos, often with much of the paint rubbed off by fitters’ feet. One can be clearly seen in the photo of JF-L or J (which may be JN768).

 

I rather suspected that this feature might have been associated with the ‘fishplates’ discussed in the above posts. However I was a bit surprised that when I examined relevant photos closely and the fishplates were evident well beyond the first 50 Tempests, almost to the end of the JN-series. Latest airframe identified so far is JN862 (85th).  First confirmed without the plates is JN875 (98th).

 

The longer-barrelled cannon (Hispano Mk II) was replaced much earlier than sometimes claimed – some sources indicate all the JN series were Series 1 with the long cannon.  The latest airframe I’ve been able to identify with the protruding cannon is JN767 (39th). There is a photo of JN801 (55th) in full stripes at Newchurch in late June/early July 1944, which is the earliest found with the short-barrelled Hispano Mk V. Some sources state that the shorter cannon was retrofitted to some of the earlier airframes but I have not found any evidence to support this.  

 

The main wheels certainly had Typhoon hubs to start with - 5-spoke they had special thinner tyres, necessary due the limited depth of the wheel bay in the Tempest's slim wing. The hubs were changed during the JN series for a new 4-spoke design which remained for the rest of Tempest production; they were fitted with new smaller tyres.  JN818 photographed at Langley just before delivery in mid-May 1944 had the 5-spoke, but JN875 at Newchurch in early July 1944 had 4-spoke.  I guess they would have been easy to retrofit, but no evidence of that.

The 5-spoke were fitted with Dunlop "EX, HVY, code 1.EE.17" 11.25-12 tyres.

The 4-spoke were fitted with Dunlop "FE11" 30 x 9.00-15 tyres.

 

 

There was a change of prop and spinner, from De Havilland to Rotol, but that was late in the Mk.V production run, so out of the reckoning in the Series 1/Series 2 issue.

 

The exhaust fairing visible in your second photo above was only present on the earliest production aircraft. The four Tempests delivered to 486 Sqn in February 1944 (and later reallocated to 3 Sqn) had them but they are the last that appear in any photos. Presumably they were withdrawn from use in the spring of 1944, as they were on Typhoons, due to cooling issues.

 

Finally we have a set of internal changes that cannot be determined from photos, namely the fittings required for the carriage of long-range tanks, bombs or RP (unless the aircraft in question is actually carrying one of these devices). Also in this category is the equipment with spring-tab ailerons.  

 

However, it is known from Air Staff correspondence that LR tank capability was expected from the 51st production aircraft (JN797) with bomb carriage fittings from the 151st aircraft and RP fittings from the 351st, i.e. bombs and RP were not available until the 51stand 251st EJ-serialled Tempest Vs entered service. This was no handicap as bombs were not used until April 1945 and RP not until the last quarter of 1945. There was no possibility of the LRT (and possibly the bomb/RP) mods being retrofitted owing to the limited access in the Tempest’s thin wing.

 

The arrival of the much-vaunted spring tab ailerons remains obscure (to me any way).

 

So exactly which of these features heralded the change from Series 1 to Series 2 I don’t know for certain but the ‘pukka’ Tempest centre section, the short cannon and LRT capability all seem to arrive after the 50thaircraft which might well be changeover point?

 

 

 

[anj4de]

Thanks...I overlooked that! 😞

 

[Zack]

On 2/3/2019 at 5:38 PM, Jon Kunac-Tabinor said:

Hi Zack, thanks for looking. ...

Thank you Jonners,

I will attempt to do your fix. With regards to the cannon ports, the E-sprue seems to be identical looking at the sprueshots for 82122 on Eduard's homepage. I was not aware of an issue that was why I was thinking AM.

 

@Chris & Troy
Thank you for your valuable additions.

I am trying to build confidence enough to tackle the big Typhoone and all of this helps

 

Zack

Edited February 5, 2019 by Zack