Navy Bird Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Very nicely done! Cheers, Bill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich F Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 Thanks for the kind comments guys, I just hope i can do it justice. Looking at photo's on Airliners these bird can get really dirty! Like this one I'm going for somewhere halfway between pristine and '01530' as shown above. So plenty of weathering to do. No time at the workbench for at least a week as it holiday time tomorrow, for a week of Lakeland beauty and hopefully not too much rain! Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bell209 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 No matter how philthy they get, they're still beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Any updates Rich? I didn't ask before but what decals are those that you're using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich F Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 On 6/1/2019 at 4:47 AM, whiskey said: Any updates Rich? I didn't ask before but what decals are those that you're using? Hi Zach, Thanks for the interest. Not much to report at the moment as I've lost my mojo on this one a bit. I've made 2 big mistakes, firstly with the roundel placement and secondly with over zealous use of Mr mark softer which has made the colour run on one of the roundels. After seeing that the colour run on one of the decals, which i thought i might be able to fix. I then realized to my horror that they were too far forward by about 5mm. It should be sitting on the second vertical panel line. So i have 2 options Pay for a new set of decals (Model Alliance World Air Power Update No 2.) which Hannants has for £17.40. A bit expensive as i only need 2 HAF roundels Somebody kindly donates them or i swap something for them, hint hint fellow BM'ers As i said earlier i have started with the decals, all the Model Alliance decals are on and i have started on the plethora of stencils, I am using these... As you can see there are alot! Anyhow, progress so far... Still lots of decals to apply, roughly 300-400! Hopefully i will either get some roundels donated or i learn to live with my mistake so i can put this one to bed! Thanks for looking! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 All the s/n of Greek Phantoms McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II Α/Α Αρ. Α/Φ C/Ν Βlock USΑF s/n Πρώην 1 01500 4439 54 72-1500 2 01501 4443 54 72-1501 3 01502 4448 54 72-1502 4 01503 4451 54 72-1503 5 01504 4455 54 72-1504 6 01505 4458 54 72-1505 7 01506 4462 54 72-1506 8 01507 4465 54 72-1507 9 01508 4470 55 72-1508 10 01509 4473 55 72-1509 11 01510 4477 55 72-1510 12 01511 4480 55 72-1511 13 01512 4485 55 72-1512 14 01513 4487 55 72-1513 15 01514 4492 55 72-1514 16 01515 4494 55 72-1515 17 01516 4499 55 72-1516 18 01517 4503 55 72-1517 19 01518 4506 55 72-1518 20 01519 4510 55 72-1519 21 01520 4514 55 72-1520 22 01521 4517 55 72-1521 23 01522 4521 55 72-1522 24 01523 4524 55 72-1523 25 01524 4526 55 72-1524 26 01525 4532 56 72-1525 27 01526 4535 56 72-1526 28 01527 4539 56 72-1527 29 01528 4543 56 72-1528 30 01529 4547 56 72-1529 31 01530 4552 56 72-1530 32 01531 4555 56 72-1531 33 01532 4560 56 72-1532 34 01533 4564 57 72-1533 35 01534 4569 57 72-1534 36 01535 4573 57 72-1535 37 41618 4827 60 74-1618 38 41619 4833 60 74-1619 39 71743 4995 65 77-1743 40 71744 4998 65 77-1744 41 71745 5001 65 77-1745 42 71746 5004 65 77-1746 43 71747 5007 65 77-1747 44 71748 5010 65 77-1748 45 71749 5013 65 77-1749 46 71750 5016 65 77-1750 47 71751 5019 66 77-1751 48 71752 5022 66 77-1752 49 71753 5026 66 77-1753 50 71754 5028 66 77-1754 51 71755 5031 66 77-1755 52 71756 5033 66 77-1756 53 71757 5035 66 77-1757 54 71758 5037 66 77-1758 55 71759 5039 66 77-1759 56 71760 5042 66 77-1760 57 67345 3200 33 67-0345 67345 58 67350 3212 33 67-0350 67350 59 67377 3269 33 67-0377 67377 60 67381 3277 33 67-0381 67381 61 68318 3345 37 68-0318 68318 62 68361 3427 37 68-0361 68361 63 68363 3431 37 68-0363 68363 64 68381 3463 38 68-0381 68381 65 68393 3484 38 68-0393 68393 66 68394 3487 38 68-0394 68394 67 68402 3502 38 68-0402 68402 68 68405 3508 38 68-0405 68405 69 68408 3513 38 68-0408 68408 70 68412 3519 39 68-0412 68412 71 68424 3541 39 68-0424 68424 72 68426 3546 39 68-0426 68426 73 68432 3558 39 68-0432 68432 74 68438 3569 39 68-0438 68438 75 68440 3573 39 68-0440 68440 76 68442 3578 39 68-0442 68442 77 68444 3581 39 68-0444 68444 78 68445 3585 39 68-0445 68445 79 68480 3650 40 68-0480 68480 80 68481 3651 40 68-0481 68481 81 68496 3678 41 68-0496 68496 82 68506 3693 41 68-0506 68506 83 68515 3707 41 68-0515 68515 84 68517 3710 41 68-0517 68517 McDonnell Douglas RF-4E Phantom II Α/Α Αρ. Α/Φ c/n Βlock USΑF s/n Πρώην 1 70357 5049 66 77-0357 2 70358 5050 66 77-0358 3 71761 5029 66 77-1761 4 71762 5036 66 77-1762 5 71763 5041 66 77-1763 6 71764 5045 66 77-1764 7 71765 5046 66 77-1765 8 71766 5048 66 77-1766 9 7449 3872 43 69-7449 35+02 10 7450 3883 43 69-7450 35+03 11 7454 3927 43 69-7454 35+07 12 7460 4007 44 69-7460 35+13 13 7464 4040 45 69-7464 35+17 14 7471 4060 45 69-7471 35+24 15 7476 4074 45 69-7476 35+29 16 7482 4092 46 69-7482 35+35 17 7486 4099 46 69-7486 35+39 18 7487 4101 46 69-7487 35+40 19 7491 4109 46 69-7491 35+44 20 7493 4114 46 69-7493 35+46 21 7495 4117 46 69-7495 35+48 22 7496 4118 46 69-7496 35+49 23 7498 4122 46 69-7498 35+51 24 7499 4124 46 69-7499 35+52 25 7500 4127 46 69-7500 35+53 26 7506 4138 46 69-7506 35+59 27 7507 4140 46 69-7507 35+60 28 7508 4141 46 69-7508 35+61 29 7511 4148 47 69-7511 35+64 30 7519 4164 47 69-7519 35+72 31 7529 4187 47 69-7529 35+82 32 7531 4191 47 69-7531 35+84 33 7533 4195 47 69-7533 35+86 34 7534 4197 47 69-7534 35+87 35 7535 4120 47 69-7535 35+88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Aircraft USA - Air Force McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II Reg.: 68-0424 MSN: 3541 Code: HF Location & Date Tampa - MacDill AFB (MCF / KMCF) Florida, USA - June 1991 Caption Assigned to 113 TFS / 181 TFG at Hulman Field located in Terre Haute, Indiana. Sold to Greek AF as 68-424. A quick glance & you would think you were looking at an F-4G Wild Weasel. Photographer Frank C. Duarte Jr. 8.9K USA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 The 71743 haw seperated front glass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 I want to ask why sometimes the photo are not visible. If fotographer payed tthe General Air Stuff of Greece to photo the aircrafts it ' s OK . But if no I believe as citizen who payed taxes to buy the Greek Goverment the aircrafts I have a privilege on them. . Ask me someone please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 You may be a citizen of Greece, and you may pay taxes so that the government can buy the pretty airyplanes, but you aren't the photographer who put the photos onto that site, nor do you own the site (or pay the bills associated with it), so that gives you no rights over those photos whatsoever. It's the photographer and the website owner, not the Greek government, that control who can link those photos. Because of international copyright laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 14 hours ago, Rich F said: So i have 2 options Pay for a new set of decals (Model Alliance World Air Power Update No 2.) which Hannants has for £17.40. A bit expensive as i only need 2 HAF roundels Somebody kindly donates them or i swap something for them, hint hint fellow BM'ers. 3rd option - mask and paint them. 2 colours, round masks. Easy as.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalako Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Rob G said: 3rd option - mask and paint them. 2 colours, round masks. Easy as.. I agree. In 1/48 it's relatively easy to paint roundels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Dear Rob we cannot solve the problem here but I dont agree because the photographer can takes photos and with piracy way out of an airport and when he want to sell the photos say to us for rights, he must give to us approvments that he took licence and paid the licence. So if someone takes fotos my face or your face he can sell them in his site with rights Is this correct? The site is only for him to sell the photos, it commerce the photos. Everything which commerced the seller must approve the licence given to him. Is that always doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 And the other is that in these fotos we can see who takes them. We dont say that they took by me or you. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich F Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 10 hours ago, Rob G said: 3rd option - mask and paint them. 2 colours, round masks. Easy as.. 8 hours ago, Shalako said: I agree. In 1/48 it's relatively easy to paint roundels. Good idea, cheers guys. Just need to work out how to cut the smallest circle as my compass cutter wont cut that small. 21 hours ago, nikos said: The 71743 haw seperated front glass Hi Nikos, thanks for the input. Am i right in thinking your talking about the framing around the windscreen? I was aware that some ex-USAF machines had 'frameless' windscreens, but I don't think 71743 was one of them. see link below... https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6286879 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Bird Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 I love all those stencils! Unlike most other modellers (I suspect) I actually enjoy a myriad of stencils. I'm curious about the markings, though - why is Ajax depicted with a bow? He is more generally regarded as a spearman. The character in the Iliad with amazing bow prowess is Ajax's half-brother Teucer. Such things we modellers ponder... Back to the model, this is an amazing work you have here. And you put the fuselage roundel right where I would have put it - are you sure it should be moved aft? I don't have a lot of photos of Greek Phantoms, but the roundel seems to be right where you have it. This one has the Ajax logo on the tail, though I'm not sure if it's the same aircraft you're depicting as I can't read the tail code. Note the roundel position: Hellenic F-4 Ajax And these seem to have the roundel right about where you placed it. Cheers, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich F Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 Thanks Bill, you may have saved my bacon I need to look into this further as when i checked the position of the roundel i was looking at a 338 sqn jet, so maybe your right. Here '01525' looks about the same as mine... http://www.airliners.net/photo/Greece-Air-Force/McDonnell-Douglas-F-4E-AUP-Phantom-II/1412156/L I haven't found a good closeup photo of 71743 and i have a feeling it maybe retired now as 339 sqn has been disbanded. Regarding the stencils, it is a lot work but i think it will pay off in the end. Although I'm thinking of giving some of them a thin coat of base colour to tone them down once I'm done as looking at the real thing (see link above) some of the stencilling is very faint and in some cases almost worn away. Thanks again. Rich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob G Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Rich F said: Good idea, cheers guys. Just need to work out how to cut the smallest circle as my compass cutter won't cut that small. Brass or aluminium tube of the correct diameter, sharpened to make a punch. Note that sharpening the inside of the tube gives you a slightly larger diameter than sharpening the outside of the tube... That can make all the difference between 'nope, not gonna work' and 'yep, close enough'. Lining it up can be tricky, but tape is cheap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikos Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Yes Rich F the 71743 has the classic F-4E screen with 3 pieces seperated. The 68424 has different windscreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich F Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 Well I've finally finished this one, managed to grab a few days to get this one off the workbench Not sure if I've overdone the weathering and I'm not 100% happy with it but these birds do get really dirty! Anyhow it done now, on my next project. I'll upload some better pic in the RFI section over the next few days. Thanks for looking 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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