DMC Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 That 6” rule really puts the size of these 1/144 kits into perspective. Necessarily quire small although a 747 probably takes up a bit of room on the shelf. I’ve a 727 in the post and am looking forward to it’s arrival. Nice work on the flaps laps so far. Cheers Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 Here's a bit of a puzzle I can't find a solution to... Having done the flap rails like this, perpendicular to the trailing edge, it struck me as being wrong. If the flaps moved back on that axis it would clash with the fuselage side. In a moment of doubt, I set about the port wing and did this... This makes sense to me as a mechanism to slide the flap out between the aileron and fuselage side. But it contradicts the drawings, the panel lines, and even what's on the Heller kit wing moulding. I've got a picture of the flaps in action here https://flic.kr/p/28reyUS but it's too oblique for me to decide whether I should be going at 90° to the t.e. or parallel to the fuselage and wing fences. I can't find anything decisive in walkabouts etc Does anyone know the solution to this little puzzle?? Help and insight would be greatly appreciated! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Progress with the flaps, Rob. Optivisor at the ready it seems. My Revell 727 arrived today. Overall shape looks ok but panel lines and rivets a bit overdone and slightly recessed windows. Still, I’ll enjoy getting into the build. Have a look at the the modified flaps on this page. Much more involved then the Caravel’s but worth a look anyway. http://www.airlinercafe.com/list.php?c=how_to Cheers Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 I found this loitering in BM's archive... @Darius at Home is logged as "frozen" and I don't know what that means, but thanks for the photos, Darius! Brussels museum has a Caravelle (III?) suspended indoors... I'm not kidding.... So, all views are from underneath, but do the slots in the flaps look parallel to the fuselage, or perpendicular to the t.e.? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, DMC said: I’ll enjoy getting into the build I predict you're going to love it!! Fancy having a go with some sticky backed Ali foil on the shiny metal finish?? 😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72linerlover Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Hi Rob, Take a look to this picture too. The whole flap at the root is totally under the wing fairing and moves sliding back and down, perpendicular to the trailing edge. Here some pages you may find interesting. Bye Euge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: I predict you're going to love it!! Fancy having a go with some sticky backed Ali foil on the shiny metal finish?? 😎 I think I just might, Rob. Foil, funny you should mention that as the idea has been buzzing around in my head. However, most carriers seem to have painted their airliners all over rather than leave them a NMF. But what do I know, I’m still an airliner newbie. I think United airliners had a NMF but not entirely sure. Regardless, I’ll have a little fun mulling over the options. Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 hours ago, 72linerlover said: perpendicular to the trailing edge Okay, thanks for that, 72. I'm not going to start hacking away under the wing roots, but I can see how a perpendicular action can work now. I've gone back on the fuselage for a minute, and applied the foil on the bottom half, up to under the windows. Pleased to report, the clear lacquer seems to be working as a protection against the metallic residue. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I am enjoying this build to the extent that I went and scored a Heller Caravelle on Evilbay! Martian (Still behaving himself) 👽 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Martian Hale said: that I went and scored a Heller Caravelle Yayyy....! It's gonna be great. Did you get the BIG stand with it? And how's your functional French? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 hours ago, rob Lyttle said: And how's your functional French? Cela ne pose aucune probleme, J'etais traducteur pour la douane. Le Martian 👽 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 Collez l'ensemble train avant sous la carlingue.😮 Any way I'm still on the Airfix routine, and nerves are tense just doing this, But I also had a look at the paint scheme... And I looked up humbrol 40-- because they don't tell what the colour is, they just give you the f#*#&@g number....😫😠😡 Turns out to be gloss light grey. Could be walkways, but it's showing under the wing and on the tailplanes as well. I know that they started painting the fuselage etc later, but I'd better get some information on this. Comments welcome if you know the answer...! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Anti corrosion grey. The USAF did the same with later F-86’s as well before the overall silver or ADC Grey came into being. And here on a caravelle. Dennis PS - a ghost grey or dark gull grey lightened up a little work for the color. USAF Aircraft grey the color used as ADC grey might work too. Edited October 2, 2018 by Corsairfoxfouruncle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 5 hours ago, rob Lyttle said: Collez l'ensemble train avant sous la carlingue.😮 Glue the forward undercarriage assembly under the cabin. Martian 👽 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 As you can see, the decal sheet has sustained a bit of weathering over the years.... And it's causing the odd snag, I lost the F, but other than that I managed to piece the parts back together and have cleared out the window apertures. I don't like the blue in the flag emblem though. Also been scratching out some airbrake recesses and fitted extensions to the main wing fences, You got to try these things...😁 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 7, 2018 Author Share Posted October 7, 2018 I got the main décor on the fuselage. There were a few moments of high drama, but they are on. I used a little pointed burr thing to poke through the window openings and clear the decal out of the way, and filled them with PVA wood glue. Came out satisfactory... I'm liking the "Lorraine" script on the buffed up metal. But those two little intake scoops on the fin proved to be a pain during the transfer application! I would seriously consider the option of leaving them off until later.... next time...! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Slightly out of focus but the foil looks pretty good. Dennis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 @t-bird_models Are you still active on here? Trying to get some information on your decal products especially Canada type whiskey Jack type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 07/10/2018 at 22:26, DMC said: Slightly out of focus Yes, sorry about that. Apart from my cheapo Android phone camera and photography skills, the shiny metal and reflections do seem to confuse the focus function a bit. I've started Phase I of the missing F recovery programme... ... with a little strip of navy blue decal left over from the Italieri DC3 build... Little bit fiddly! 3mm high. First strip was a fraction too wide but I think this one's about right. I used a dab of decalfix, and I'll wait some time before attempting the next bit. The build has gone a bit slow with lack of time and other distractions, ought to pick up again soon.😎 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 Well... Starting to think that the second strip is a fraction too thick as well. Looking slightly "bold" perhaps compared to the rest of the lettering... I'll leave it a while and come back for another look 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I'm surprised nobody told you that there was no "F" in "France". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Hi Rob, You’ve probably had a look in on the link below but if not check it out. No Caravel decals that I can see but the gallery photos are really inspirational. BM even gets a mention in the ‘links’. Not a criticism on your photography skills, incidentally, must be difficult using a phone camera. Dennis https://vintageflyerdecals.com/index.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Hi Rob More Foiling loveliness fella, looking great and good work on the decal recovery. keep up the good work All the best Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 I've been trying to work out the right approach for doing the light grey areas on the wings and tailplanes. It's either foil the whole wing area and then mask and paint on the metal... Or, foil the bare metal areas and leave the grey areas as bare plastic to be painted. I'm going to try the second option, If it all goes wrong, I can always try the other option. It's a matter of appearance. It's got to look like this paint is on the wing surface-- not in a recess. So, only one way to find out.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Hello Rob when i do foil work i paint the areas that need it first. Masking so there will be no overspray under the future foil. Then i mask off the paint so as not to get glue on it. When its done they should be even because the dry paint is about as high as the foil. Hope that makes sense ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now