bigbadbadge Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Looking absolutely cracking Ced. You really are motoring on this build. Keep up the good work. All the best Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 11 hours ago, CedB said: It's probably too late now Ced, but I've only just noticed those triangular 'lumps' at the forward base of the fin. And I have no idea what they're supposed to be. I've never noticed them on a real toom, and there are actually two small intakes at each side of the extreme bottom forward edge of the fin, separated by a thin triangular piece of metal that follows the fin's leading edge profile. This picture will show it better than my explanation; https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/707056/xv586-royal-air-force-mcdonnell-douglas-phantom-fg-1/ As I say, probably too late, but even if you didn't want to carve the intakes out (& I wouldn't either!) I think it would look much better with just the lumps hacked off! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted September 30, 2018 Author Share Posted September 30, 2018 3 hours ago, giemme said: Going full speed, Ced! Very nice job on the stabilators, totally convincing Ciao Thanks Giorgio 3 hours ago, bigbadbadge said: Looking absolutely cracking Ced. You really are motoring on this build. Keep up the good work. All the best Chris Thanks Chris 41 minutes ago, keefr22 said: It's probably too late now Ced, but I've only just noticed those triangular 'lumps' at the forward base of the fin. And I have no idea what they're supposed to be. I've never noticed them on a real toom, and there are actually two small intakes at each side of the extreme bottom forward edge of the fin, separated by a thin triangular piece of metal that follows the fin's leading edge profile. This picture will show it better than my explanation; https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/707056/xv586-royal-air-force-mcdonnell-douglas-phantom-fg-1/ As I say, probably too late, but even if you didn't want to carve the intakes out (& I wouldn't either!) I think it would look much better with just the lumps hacked off! Keith Thanks Keith Yep, too late now, sorry Touched up: Of course I now realise why jet builders leave the racks off until the end: Too lazy to mask them, now touched up. Happy with the tailplanes though: Flickr Transfers in the morning! 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I love the smell of transfers in the morning, to misquote Col. Kilgore. Coming along really well, I think I built the original blunt nosed version a long long time ago. I didn't realise that it had been modified, it looks much better now. John 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 Thanks John So, transfers on eh? Flickr Oh dear (or words to that effect). I did have a try at lining up the transfers so that I could cut them around the pylons but then realised that they'd then be to big. Only one thing for it: Off with them! Once again I can NOW see why jet builders put the pylons / racks on last. Touched up and drying: 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I'm disappointed in you Ced - if you can hack the pylons off you could hack those lumps on the fin off too....!!! Just kidding, you'll never see them on the ceiling anyway! No Klear before transfers again....? K 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 10 hours ago, CedB said: 10 hours ago, keefr22 said: It's probably too late now Ced, but I've only just noticed those triangular 'lumps' at the forward base of the fin. And I have no idea what they're supposed to be. I've never noticed them on a real toom, and there are actually two small intakes at each side of the extreme bottom forward edge of the fin, separated by a thin triangular piece of metal that follows the fin's leading edge profile. This picture will show it better than my explanation; https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/707056/xv586-royal-air-force-mcdonnell-douglas-phantom-fg-1/ As I say, probably too late, but even if you didn't want to carve the intakes out (& I wouldn't either!) I think it would look much better with just the lumps hacked off! Keith Thanks Keith Yep, too late now, sorry Keith is half right, the ram air intake is missing, but those triangular lumps are supposed to represent a splitter plate that runs along the bottom of the intake slightly above and parallel to the top of the fuselage. If you look carefully at the photo's in the recent walkround you can make it out. Scale wise the Matchbox representation is far too thick, but it should be there. Personally, I'd cut out a triangle on the fin leading edge, remove the matchbox representation and replace it and the vertical intake dividing plate with thin plastic card; the alternative is to reduce the height of the matchbox representation with a bit of gentle filing before adding the dividing plate. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, CedB said: Once again I can NOW see why jet builders put the pylons / racks on last. I wasn't going to say anything, but yes, pylons are among the last things to put on .... 13 minutes ago, keefr22 said: No Klear before transfers again....? Please, do Klear coat it, pretty please? Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dave Swindell said: If you look carefully at the photo's in the recent walkround Eagle eye! But yes, you are totally right Ciao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 43 minutes ago, Dave Swindell said: but those triangular lumps are supposed to represent a splitter plate that runs along the bottom of the intake slightly above and parallel to the top of the fuselage I had seen that plate Dave, but in 1/72.....??!! I admit that I hadn't considered that it was that plate that Matchbox were trying to represent by those huge great lumps of plastic! Keith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookytooth Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Good move on the vent Ced. It is a pita to do, so at that scale leave alone now. Gloss varnish before decals. She is looking good sir. Simon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 Thanks Keith, Dave, Giorgio and Simon Little fins? Too late… sorry chaps. That said it would have been easier to chop them off than to get the transfers to go over the damn things! Gloss coat before transfers? I'm using Steve's method to see how it goes - puddle of thinned Klear and roll down. Seems to work OK and quicker: 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, CedB said: I'm using Steve's method to see how it goes - puddle of thinned Klear and roll down. Either way, you have a gloss surface for the transfers to adhere - so, nice going! Ciao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Nice work. I think the MB kit still stands up well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, CedB said: I'm using Steve's method to see how it goes - puddle of thinned Klear and roll down. Seems to work OK and quicker: I'll have think on that idea too . Looking goos thoug Ced, even with the odd set-back. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, keefr22 said: It's probably too late now Ced, but I've only just noticed those triangular 'lumps' at the forward base of the fin. And I have no idea what they're supposed to be. I've never noticed them on a real toom, The triangular horizontal fins are there (in fact you can just see their shadow in your pic), but Matchbox have overdone them a tad. I believe they controlled the air around the fin base. They are more obvious in this pic. http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/mark_hayward/phantom_fgr.2/images/phantom_fgr.2_06_of_37.jpg Edited October 1, 2018 by 71chally 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 A tad?! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 hours ago, CedB said: Off with them! Once again I can NOW see why jet builders put the pylons / racks on last. I like your decisive approach Ced! She's looking really good so far. Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Superb work Ced, you really have shown what can be achieved with this kit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 'Black nose, grey wings I ain't missin' not a single thing And pylons, red fin When I step out I'm gonna do you in They come runnin' just as fast as they can 'Cause every girl crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man FAA Phantom.' 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudde Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheBaron said: Black nose, grey wings I ain't missin' not a single thing And pylons, red fin When I step out I'm gonna do you in They come runnin' just as fast as they can 'Cause every girl crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man FAA Phantom.' Tony, you should grow a long white beard, find two other companions ( maybe Beard is one?) and get a yourself a 33' Ford Eleminator and visit Ced to sing him a fine lullaby for his success. Cheers Edited October 1, 2018 by bbudde 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, 71chally said: The triangular horizontal fins are there That is a better pic James, they are the 'plate' I was thinking of when responding to Dave's post #132 - I have to admit Ididn't realise said 'plate' was in fact two triangular ones - I thought they were rectangular and much closer to the fuselage - every day's a school day! Cracking looking Toom Ced, looks almost as good a kit as the brand new Airfix one (can you tell I'm very disappointed with Airfix's effort...?!) Shame really that Matchbox and Fujimi kits are fetching the same if not more on flea bay - seems I'm not the only one annoyed at Airfix!! Keith 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I put my head down for a couple of days to get some day-job-work done and when I raise my head, Ced's built the kit, painted it, stripped it, repainted it, ripped bits off the kit, stuck them back on, did the transfers, and been on bloomin' vacation! it does look nice though - even in those colors! 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, hendie said: It does look nice though - even in those colors! Are there any other Brit Toom colours worth bothering with? 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 hours ago, keefr22 said: they are the 'plate' I was thinking of when responding to Dave's post #132 - I have to admit Ididn't realise said 'plate' was in fact two triangular ones - I thought they were rectangular and much closer to the fuselage - every day's a school day I 'spose plate is a better word for it really Keith, for some reason I had missed your responce at #132. I have just seen that our @Tailspin Turtle has done an article on it here ( http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2016/01/f4hf-4-phantom-ram-air-inlet-mysteries.html ) , interesting reading like all of Tommys' articles I was offered the fin off XV500 when it was scrapped and when I surveyed it before cutting I was surprised at how obvious that plate and intake are. It doesn't look so obvious when you're stood 5 ft under it! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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