Hook Posted May 13, 2023 Share Posted May 13, 2023 35 minutes ago, TEMPESTMK5 said: Good morning André You are right but I think that only the Mirage IIIC deployed to Djibouti where modified to carry these missiles and bombs .. Hey Patrice, the Djibouti 'C's would physically be able to carry bombs, but AFAIK they were deployed to provide air defence. I have never seen photographs of anything else than Magic 1's and fuel bags on desert coloured "Vexin" 'C's, I'd love to see pictures. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 On 5/12/2023 at 8:21 AM, Hook said: Both. All three of mine have pts #G18/19 removed from the runner. These look like the front ends of the combined fuel / rocket pods. Even weirder, the seperate runner with the ATAR 9C nozzle and fairing, and vertical tail with RWR is present, even though it is absent in the parts layout. Go figure. Cheers, Andre Just to follow up on this, the SH boss responded to my question on modelforum stating the parts were removed on purpose, because they "are of poor quality and will be retooled for their upcoming IIIE and M5 releases, where they actually belong." Buyers get a advertised Mirage IIIC in the current boxing and that is all they have the right to ask for. 🤷♂️ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 17 minutes ago, drake122 said: Just to follow up on this, the SH boss responded to my question on modelforum stating the parts were removed on purpose, because they "are of poor quality and will be retooled for their upcoming IIIE and M5 releases, where they actually belong." Buyers get a advertised Mirage IIIC in the current boxing and that is all they have the right to ask for. 🤷♂️ Fair enough. Thanks for asking! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_C Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 45 minutes ago, drake122 said: upcoming IIIE and M5 releases, where they actually belong Next question is when should we expect M5 and in particular Nesher 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Dennis_C said: Next question is when should we expect M5 and in particular Nesher Well, given that autumn this year will see a Mirage IIIC in Israeli and Argentine service boxing, we can expect Mirage IIIE sometime early in 2024 and Mirage 5 variants after that. Just my guess based on SH release schedule so far. 🤷♂️ I am also most interested in Mirage 5 variants now, as Modelsvit already made IIIC and E in better quality (my opinion). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borisz Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 9 hours ago, drake122 said: Well, given that autumn this year will see a Mirage IIIC in Israeli and Argentine service boxing, we can expect Mirage IIIE sometime early in 2024 and Mirage 5 variants after that. Just my guess based on SH release schedule so far. 🤷♂️ I am also most interested in Mirage 5 variants now, as Modelsvit already made IIIC and E in better quality (my opinion). Have you built that Modelsvit Mirage? I have two Modelsvit kits, different types, and they looks a bit complicated as just the ejection seats comes in like 15 pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, Borisz said: Have you built that Modelsvit Mirage? I have two Modelsvit kits, different types, and they looks a bit complicated as just the ejection seats comes in like 15 pieces. I build several already, the EA/EBR, IIICJ in Argentinian markings and IIIO, also building the M2000. They might be more complicated due to parts breakdown and short run technology, but detail level is superior when compared to SH. They also come with PE and masks, super decal sheets printed by Decograf (they put new Eduard style decals in the SH boxes). For me, Modelsvit are the definitive Mirage kits in 72nd, it is just a pity they didn't continue the line with M5/50 and some exotic variants... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Borisz said: Have you built that Modelsvit Mirage? I have two Modelsvit kits, different types, and they looks a bit complicated as just the ejection seats comes in like 15 pieces. I built the MV Mirage IIIC, which was very tricky indeed. The cockpit/nose undercarriage bay assembly does not have any locating tabs which makes it very easy to assemble incorrectly, leading to problems when the front fuselage is assembled. I am currently building the MV Mirage 2000. This has similar issues with the cockpit/nose undercarriage bay but the fuselage halves are more robust and so the fuselage can be temporarily closed up while the cement on the interior parts is still drying, thereby forcing the parts into the correct positions. The lower wing assembly on both kits has eleven parts, some of which need to be folded during assembly. Thankfully the upper wing parts can also be used to force the undercarriage bays into the correct position. I'm finding that I rather like the 2000 kit. For a Mirage III, the flimsy nature of the fuselage assembly leads me to prefer the Special Hobby kit. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 On 5/15/2023 at 7:38 PM, Dennis_C said: Next question is when should we expect M5 and in particular Nesher I’m going to fly the flag for a Mirage 5 too, thinking that it might get SH to bring out the IIIR/RD ;)… You know how these things work Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_C Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 By the way - I do not find in the thread whether SH ever promised two-seater versions. Seems like nope. But maybe I'm just not finding. Two-seat Nesher is something I'd probably consider to add to my Kfir and Mirage IIICJ for a difference 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Dennis_C said: By the way - I do not find in the thread whether SH ever promised two-seater versions. Seems like nope. But maybe I'm just not finding. Two-seat Nesher is something I'd probably consider to add to my Kfir and Mirage IIICJ for a difference No duals are announced - we'll have to do it the hard way in the mean time. I will place an update today. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudge Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 7 hours ago, Dennis_C said: By the way - I do not find in the thread whether SH ever promised two-seater versions. Seems like nope. But maybe I'm just not finding............................ Yes, your right. That is a bit odd, considering their Mirage F.1 was also offered as a two seat option. I would definitely buy a couple of the IIIB/two seaters. Off the top of my head, I can only recall that Matchbox did the two seat B. 7 hours ago, Hook said: No duals are announced - we'll have to do it the hard way in the mean time. I will place an update today. Grafting a Matchbox nose on to the new Special Hobby kit would be kind of a travesty 😬 (I think there was also a Falcon vac form conversion nose) Anyway, back to the new release, in stock at Hannants. My back orders just came in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotr Mikolajski Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Dennis_C said: By the way - I do not find in the thread whether SH ever promised two-seater versions. Seems like nope. The lack of an announcement does not mean that these versions will not be made. Following versions were announced (released) so far: Mirage III: C (SH72476), CJ (SH72352), E, EO, R, RD, RS, S Mirage 5: BA, BR, F IAI: Nesher, Dagger Is that all of them? It's hard to say. This family will be released over several years, and making an extra fuselage or some more parts is not a big effort. A lot depends on how well these kits sell. The better the sales, the greater the willingness to release more boxes and versions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Piotr Mikolajski said: The lack of an announcement does not mean that these versions will not be made. Following versions were announced (released) so far: Mirage III: C (SH72476), CJ (SH72352), E, EO, R, RD, RS, S Mirage 5: BA, BR, F IAI: Nesher, Dagger Is that all of them? It's hard to say. This family will be released over several years, and making an extra fuselage or some more parts is not a big effort. A lot depends on how well these kits sell. The better the sales, the greater the willingness to release more boxes and versions. They just need to get on with them. All this dithering around with IIICs and 'CJs is frustrating 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, Piotr Mikolajski said: A lot depends on how well these kits sell. With 9 SH CJ's and 5 C's in my stash... SO FAR... I am doing my part. Cheers, Andre 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Smudge said: Yes, your right. That is a bit odd, considering their Mirage F.1 was also offered as a two seat option. I would definitely buy a couple of the IIIB/two seaters. I can only image the B did not sell as much as the singleseaters. Quote Off the top of my head, I can only recall that Matchbox did the two seat B. Grafting a Matchbox nose on to the new Special Hobby kit would be kind of a travesty 😬 Indeed. Shapes were rather iffy. Quote (I think there was also a Falcon vac form conversion nose) Entire fuselage plus vac main canopy, for the Heller. Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 9 hours ago, Hook said: I will place an update today. As promised! Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Smudge said: Yes, your right. That is a bit odd, considering their Mirage F.1 was also offered as a two seat option. I would definitely buy a couple of the IIIB/two seaters. Off the top of my head, I can only recall that Matchbox did the two seat B. The T-bird Mirage III has been issued by: High Planes/PJ Productions https://www.scalemates.com/kits/pj-production-721029-amd-mirage-iii-be-ds-d2z-5bd--212796 Modelsvit https://www.scalemates.com/kits/modelsvit-72060-mirage-iii-b--1305511 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 On 16/05/2023 at 12:03, Enzo the Magnificent said: I built the MV Mirage IIIC, which was very tricky indeed. The cockpit/nose undercarriage bay assembly does not have any locating tabs which makes it very easy to assemble incorrectly, leading to problems when the front fuselage is assembled. I am currently building the MV Mirage 2000. This has similar issues with the cockpit/nose undercarriage bay but the fuselage halves are more robust and so the fuselage can be temporarily closed up while the cement on the interior parts is still drying, thereby forcing the parts into the correct positions. I have just checked on the Modelsvit IIIE and IIIB kits. These have seperate noses (similar to the RV Aircraft kits) which can be closed up to help the cockpit assembly in a similar fashion to the 2000 kit. They should therefore be less tricky than the IIIC kit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 SH have stated previously on modelforum they will not be making two seaters. They are more willing to try some exotic ones though (Pantera from Chile was specifically mentioned). The key is, they can use existing sprues and if there is any version specific parts, eg. different nose, refuelling probe, etc., they will make it in resin. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_C Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Enzo the Magnificent said: The T-bird Mirage III has been issued by: High Planes/PJ Productions https://www.scalemates.com/kits/pj-production-721029-amd-mirage-iii-be-ds-d2z-5bd--212796 Modelsvit https://www.scalemates.com/kits/modelsvit-72060-mirage-iii-b--1305511 Absolutely. There is no lack of twin seat Mirages so SH could be right in not doing another sprue with twin-seater fuselage parts. Let them first release at least single-seat M5/Nesher kits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trenton guy Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Modelsvit has a two seater. Complexity aside, the only issue with it is nose cone shape (smooth curve, lacking the rate of curvature change of the real thing). SH got that feature right. Interestingly, the now pretty ancient Revell IIIE has it right. I have several of those nose cones to update the M’zvit kits. Great subject for an aftermarket item, THE PJ kits share the defect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieGolf2009 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Any clue as when we can expect to see a new SH Mirage III/V in 1/72 being released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 hours ago, CharlieGolf2009 said: Any clue as when we can expect to see a new SH Mirage III/V in 1/72 being released? Mr. Riedel was quest on a Czech modeling livestream a few months ago and I believe he mentioned sometimes this summer or autumn a new Mirage III boxing will be out, but not a new variant just new decals for Argentina and SAAF. I remember their original plan was to release new variants much quicker, but I suspect sales might not have been what they expected and so other subjects took over (Thunderstreak and such). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 13 minutes ago, drake122 said: I remember their original plan was to release new variants much quicker, but I suspect sales might not have been what they expected and so other subjects took over (Thunderstreak and such). Interesting. I wonder if that's because the IIIC is pretty much a niche variant and so people are waiting for the IIIE/5 variants which have a much wider appeal. It's a bit of a Catch-22 situation. I've only built five of these Special Hobby kits so far. Maybe I need to raise my game. I can build another in the South of the Rio Grande GB. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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