Matthew Spence Posted September 28, 2018 Author Share Posted September 28, 2018 Here is the part @Paul E, I snapped a quick pic while waiting for he kettle to boil. I'm fairly sure it is supposed to be the 2031Z fairlead, but not only it is the wrong shape it is in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 10 hours ago, Paul E said: Terry, Sonar 2031Z was the Towed Array sonar fitted to the Type 23 Frigates up to Somerset and is the predecessor of the current Sonar 2087 which was retrofitted to all the remaining ships of the class. When 2087 was retro fitted the fairlead was moved. Sonar 182 which Crisp mentions was a small yellow towed body that was suppossed to distract torpedos. It has also been replaced by Sonar 2058. The photographs you have are for these later fits. You are correct about your comment on the changing fits, but that is part of the fun, it means it is relatively easy to make a unique model from the generic kit which in the case of Mathew's Westminster will make it quite special! Thanks Paul. It's beginning to make some sense for me now, and helping with my own research for a future model or models of the Type 23. Incidentally, I took this photo in 2001 in Portsmouth showing the different rear ends of St Albans and Richmond at the time. There are lots of other pictures on the seaforces.org site showing various rear ends with more up to date fits. I've been searching my archives for pictures of Westminster but found nothing yet, sorry Matthew! This thread is certainly bringing out some excellent information about these ships. Thanks Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 A mate of mine was CO of Westminster in the early-noughties; I’ll ask him what he’s got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul E Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 12 hours ago, Matthew Spence said: I knew this one, just had a moment 🤦♂️ I Think they might have Paul, but it is not totally accurate: If I recall (it was one of the first bits I fitted and the hull has been in the box since) it is more of a full circle. And the instructions tell you to fit it and the 2087, which if it is that part is obviously a mistake. I don't have a photo to hand as she's packed away in the cupboard as I write this but will snap one next time I have her out. Another detail I'm unsure about: the platform on the fore of the foremast (some kind of optical system?). Pre DFL1 refit photos show it with railings, post DFL2 refit photos show it without railings, since I'm modelling her between these points in time... any one know when or why the railings were removed? The most obvious explanation is it simply got in the way of the cameras in that little sphere, if that is the case one has to ask who's bright idea was it to fit railings in the first place? There is an optical director on the platform of the foremast and there are temporary guardrails around the edge of the platform. Normally they are only rigged for maintenance every other time they were collapsed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul E Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 13 hours ago, Matthew Spence said: Here is the part @Paul E, I snapped a quick pic while waiting for he kettle to boil. I'm fairly sure it is supposed to be the 2031Z fairlead, but not only it is the wrong shape it is in the wrong place. That's not the 2031 Fairlead. It is part of the 2087 Sonar fit, however in the absence of the correct part I would say with a bit of careful jigery pokery you could readily fashion the correct fairlead for the the 1996 timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Spence Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 9/29/2018 at 12:03 AM, Paul E said: That's not the 2031 Fairlead. It is part of the 2087 Sonar fit, however in the absence of the correct part I would say with a bit of careful jigery pokery you could readily fashion the correct fairlead for the the 1996 timeframe. I thought about it, but after checking the pics its about half the size it needed to be, I'm sure no one would have really noticed, but it would have bugged me so I fashioned a new one from plasticard. I also added a couple of extra details I noticed in the pic (no idea what they are for. I also managed to finish the foremast. There are a couple of sensors on the PE that I want to replace with 3D sculpted parts but I'm waiting on some plastic rods for those. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Those two things on the stern - probably the stern light & spare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul E Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: Those two things on the stern - probably the stern light & spare. That's correct. There is a little hatch in the transom behind each one of them so the lamps can be replaced. I like the rendition of the towed array fairlead. Spot on in my mind, the mast is looking good too. Edited October 1, 2018 by Paul E additional text 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Hewitt Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Great attention to detail.been taking notes for when l do my,when l can get to it.Still on Ark Royal .then moving on to something really big in 1/350.l have aready changed the aircraft,yes another carrier.😎😎 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Spence Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Just a small update with some work on the 911 trackers, with some custom improvements taken from Paul's build. I added in some struts that weren't in the PE kit, the collapsed maintenance tent and davit. I will add ladders to the rear once they are fixed to the deck. Edited October 2, 2018 by Matthew Spence 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Chris Hewitt said: yes another carrier 👍👍👍👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Lovely work on the Type 911 trackers Matthew. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Nice neat PE work all round Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 6:44 AM, Chris Hewitt said: Great attention to detail.been taking notes for when l do my,when l can get to it.Still on Ark Royal .then moving on to something really big in 1/350.l have aready changed the aircraft,yes another carrier.😎😎 Changed aircraft? Victorious? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Spence Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 A little update: Got most of the PE done on the hanger structure and funnel structure, still some railings and the hanger door to do but will wait for final assembly to do those: Redid the nose on the lynx: Could help but do a quick dry fit: 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 That’s looking mighty fine; well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: That’s looking mighty fine; well done! Totally agree great so far beefy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Spence Posted October 6, 2018 Author Share Posted October 6, 2018 Some more detail on the gun turret and look out posts this morning. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spfparker Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Great work on the PE - mine was so flimsy it was just unworkable for my fat fingers..!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 7 hours ago, Matthew Spence said: Some more detail on the gun turret and look out posts this morning. I like that PE around the lookout position. Looks to me like it simulates canvas outer cladding? Brilliant. Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Better late than never they say. Jerry finally emailed over the only photograph that he still has of his time in command of WESTMINSTER. This was taken in the autumn of 1998 so a little later than when your Dad was on board but it does at least prove that 1008 radar had not yet been fitted to the bridge roof and gives an indication of the layout of the various platforms though not a great angle for that Hope it helps 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Spence Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 Thanks chewy I was beginning to doubt she ever had the dlf1 sponsons fitted and went straight to dlf2. This is literally the only image I’ve seen of this fit. Quick question for those that might know. How come she is underway with only a single anchor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Don't worry, I've already asked the question of him and will report back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul E Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I have a copy of that photo, but it is still in the container with all my modelling bits. It is an interesting photograph because it show the DLF1 fitted port and starboard but the Anchor is missing. That is not normal, she's lost it. You can see rusting around the hawse pipes and there is corrosion and weathering indicating the vessel is not just out of maintenance period when it maybe expected that an anchor may be removed. Also the gun barrel is not in the usual stowed position. All of which indicates that this photograph was taken when Westminster was on deployment, probably in the South Atlantic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Good spot - though she still has her bower anchor. It’s not just the anchor that’s missing; her entire starboard cable is absent (stowed below until they got a replacement?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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