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Dave Batt

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1 hour ago, fatfingers said:

If its not on over Chrimbo i reakon it will be Easter next year. Chances are they'll still be busy doing the CGI jiggery pokery bits. Looks like the time period has been moved from Victorian to Edwardian too by the looks of the soldiers uniforms.... 

 

Regards.

 

Steve

Although the argument about the red tunics (a la Zulu) compared with the khaki is sound, I think it would be beyond the series' abilities to get the history across to the audience within the script.  Bit like Stukas attacking the radar stations instead of Bf110s, and He111 bombing the RAF stations rather than Stukas, and so on in The Battle of Britain.

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40 minutes ago, Dave Batt said:

Although the argument about the red tunics (a la Zulu) compared with the khaki is sound, I think it would be beyond the series' abilities to get the history across to the audience within the script.  Bit like Stukas attacking the radar stations instead of Bf110s, and He111 bombing the RAF stations rather than Stukas, and so on in The Battle of Britain.

I also think it is a price thing.  Victorian uniforms and equipment would have been much more expensive to present, WW1 a lot cheaper especially given all the anniversary dramas that have been made over the last four years.

 

Cheers,

 

Nigel

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1 hour ago, Nocoolname said:

How so? It would be at least another 70 odd years before the PC.

Bloomin Martians, coming over here, stealing our jobs, jumping to the front of the council house queue, claiming benefits for the ficticious wife and kids living back on Mars.

 

"The Martians came in peace - it wasn't guns or bombs that destroyed the Martians, it wasn't even the microscopic germs - it was the Brexiteers."  Taken from the BBC version.

 

Cheers,

 

Nigel

 

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20 minutes ago, nheather said:

Bloomin Martians, coming over here, stealing our jobs, jumping to the front of the council house queue, claiming benefits for the ficticious wife and kids living back on Mars.

 

"The Martians came in peace - it wasn't guns or bombs that destroyed the Martians, it wasn't even the microscopic germs - it was the Brexiteers."  Taken from the BBC version.

 

Cheers,

 

Nigel

 

Can't be taken from the BBC version. They'd be drifting into facts.

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On ‎9‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 6:47 AM, Nocoolname said:

Steam Punk and Jeff Wayne could really make this otherwise it’s in danger of becoming Downtown Abbey with Martians. 

 

Though now I think of it, that too could be awesome. I’ll call Julian Fellows...

What are you going to call him?  I can offer several suggestions :)

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Come on lads... let's not bring the B word in here.  I avoid the news cos it's all nonsense and am heartily sick of the sound of that word already.  How we managed to bring politics into discussion of a drama series is beyond me, but there does seem to be a certain group of people that want to bring it into everything, just like they're obsessing with the current president in the US.  This is a hobby site.  If you want to talk politics in any way shape or form, find a site that is suitable.  I don't care which side of the fence you're on, just shush! :dull:

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War of the Worlds along with the Invisible man and The Time Machine have kept me good company  over the years in the form of the written word, however the George Pal versions of WoW and the Time Machine are still high on my movie adaptations. Ok, the fighting machines in the Tom Cruise version were more authentic to the book but the manta rays rising from the meteorite impact pit in the Pal version is still awesome.

Enough prattling...

Providing the BBC keep to the source material and don't alter the characters or stray far from the age it was originally set then the plot will carry the serial. It would be great to see an unmolested authentic version at long last. No subliminal un required sub plots/messaging please. The SFX could be awesome, or could be shockingly bad. Perhaps postponing " Dr Who" will allow the SFX budget to do the book justice.

As for steam punk? It can be as deliciously integrated as required.

 

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It is a common misconception that The War of the Worlds was originally set in the Victorian period. Wells did indeed publish it in 1898 and he does start the narrative with the words "No one would have believed, in the last years of the nineteenth century...". However, he concludes the same paragraph with the sentence "And early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment." He uses the opposition of Mars to Earth as the time period for the book, which happened in February 1901, March 1903, May 1905 and July 1907. As the book is set during the summer, I think he means it to be set in 1907. But that's just a guess.

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9 hours ago, Truro Model Builder said:

It is a common misconception that The War of the Worlds was originally set in the Victorian period. Wells did indeed publish it in 1898 and he does start the narrative with the words "No one would have believed, in the last years of the nineteenth century...". However, he concludes the same paragraph with the sentence "And early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment." He uses the opposition of Mars to Earth as the time period for the book, which happened in February 1901, March 1903, May 1905 and July 1907. As the book is set during the summer, I think he means it to be set in 1907. But that's just a guess.

 

Disagree with that.  I had a similar discussion on another forum and was originally open minded becuase I simply didn’t know for sure.  So I went back and read the opening of the book, and there are two things that place the story in 1900.

 

Firstly it describes astronomers seeing disturbances/storms on Mars in 1894 (there was an opposition in 1894).  It then states that six years later flares are observed on Mars and the first capsules arrive a few days later.

 

There is also a part were it describes the new century arriving.

 

So I am pretty sure that it is set in 1900, just in the Victorian age by the skin of its teeth and just before the introduction of kahki uniforms.

 

As such I don’t feel that the BBC setting it in an Edwardian setting is a big departure, certainly the closest we have seen in TV and Film.  I can imagine it was a lot cheaper to stage it in the Edwardian period, uniforms and equipment much more accessible, especially as we have just had a few years of WWI commenerations so there might have been a fair amount of reuse.

 

More worried what they might have done to the story in the interests of inclusion and diversity.

 

Having said that, the story proper would not translate vey well to film or big TV.  It is pretty short and there are not many few characters - and few of those actually have names - even the main character is nameless in the book.  So they were also going to have to do some adaptation to make it suitable for a three hour TV drama.

 

Cheers,

 

Nigel

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Somehow I've had it in my mind that the story was set in Well's future of 1904. How I got that number is now forgotten. I first heard of Jeff Wayne's musical adaption in 1981 and bought the album. Soon after, I borrowed the book from the library, so I could read the original. Somewhere between the two, my mind set on 1904 but I don't know why.

The early 80's were a bit of a trippy time in my life.

 

 

Chris

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10 hours ago, dogsbody said:

Somehow I've had it in my mind that the story was set in Well's future of 1904. How I got that number is now forgotten. I first heard of Jeff Wayne's musical adaption in 1981 and bought the album. Soon after, I borrowed the book from the library, so I could read the original. Somewhere between the two, my mind set on 1904 but I don't know why.

The early 80's were a bit of a trippy time in my life.

 

 

Chris

To be honest even with the date information given in the book it is still a little vague (most likely deliberately so) - I din’t see the Edwardian setting as too much of a departure.

 

Cheers,

 

Nigel 

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saw a glimpse of a martian fighting machine on a bbc trailer last night. Not impressed. It looks like one of the masters from the 1980's series "The tripods" series 2 . Series 2 being based on The city of gold and lead. Anyway 30+ years and the BBC are re hashing the design. My heart sinks....

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40 minutes ago, RACETRACK said:

the BBC are re hashing the design

Looking at both the trailer the Tripods and the cover of Jeff Wayne's album it just seems that it must be hard to come up with a new design of a three legged machine. All three have similarities and differences.

 

I am interested in if this passage will appear in adaptation: "About five o’clock the gathering crowd in [Waterloo] station was immensely excited by the opening of the line of communication , which is almost invariably closed, between the South-Eastern and South-Western stations, and the passage of carriage-trucks bearing huge guns and carriages crammed with soldiers. "

 

This line is fascinating as it was an operation railway line that pages through the passenger concourse.

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I thought the machines in the Tom Cruise version were pretty much bang on. But,although not tripod apart from the magnetic supporting invisible beams, my tops are in the George pal version.

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I had forgotten about that video. Thanks for posting it.

 

 

Chris

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hello  all, I've just watched the video via the posted link. I've never seen that before! That's really very, very good indeed!

 

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On 1/5/2019 at 6:57 PM, Dave Batt said:

OK, don't know what the history of this is, but it's worth a watch.

 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bbc+tripods+series&&view=detail&mid=5E0CC1A1A7B57BE4180E5E0CC1A1A7B57BE4180E&&FORM=VDRVRV

 

(Hope the link works!)

Thats from 'The Great Martian War' It was produced by and broadcast on the History Channel a few years back. Was a very good programme and the way they incorpoerated the CGI fighting machines into the original WWI footage was extremely well done and it also had a really clever twist at the end :wicked:

 

Regards 

 

Steve 

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Seeing some of the well-informed comments here has drawn on some of my memories.  One is that I recall a description of how the machines moved; "like a milking stool spun across a yard" rather than the AT-AT style stomping usually portrayed.  Another was a passage (to emphasise the Martians' strangeness) that detailed that "despite their great ingenuity, they had never devised the wheel."

 

Really keen now to see this broadcast, I hope I'm not pushing expectations too high for Auntie.

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just to give the story a clever spin, check out the graphic novel, the League of Extraodinary gentleman volume 2. It really is rather good.

Also "Scarlett traces" a very clever continuation,post Martian invasion.

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Trailer looking gooding.  I had feared that the BBC were going to mess this up but it doesn’t look half bad.

 

Only minor criticism is British army being equipped with gatling guns rather than the vickers - I can almost imagine that is deliberate as the gatling  looks more interesting (and oddly, more modern) to the general public.

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

Nigel

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Visually that’s rather good. Looking forward to this.

 

Every Scouser will know where ‘Trafalger Square’ is. Very clever camera angles.  Pity Big Ben is in the middle of the Mersey!

 

Trevor

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