robgizlu Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Nice work with the Micro chisel - be careful - they are sharp - I know to my cost! Nice detailing Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWS Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Terry1954 said: The mystery parts are 71 and 72. They look superb, but I need to do some more research to work out where they need to go! Hi Terry, I had this same issue, as you. On my BPB MTB build I glued part 72 at the bottom edge of the outer surface of the Oerlikon gun shield, using the following photo for reference. edit: I found the following photo of the finished gun assembly; I never did find where part 71 is used. It's still in my parts bin. John Edited June 30, 2020 by JohnWS 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Before I turned the page and saw Johns reply, I was going to say 72 was the belt that goes around the gunners shoulders 71 I'll pass on for now...... Good to see progress at last 😉 Kev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 hours ago, longshanks said: Good to see progress at last Very true. Welcome back to your build. Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 11 hours ago, robgizlu said: Nice work with the Micro chisel - be careful - they are sharp - I know to my cost! Nice detailing Rob Thanks Rob. That sounds painful! 9 hours ago, JohnWS said: On my BPB MTB build I glued part 72 at the bottom edge of the outer surface of the Oerlikon gun shield, using the following photo for reference. That makes sense John, thanks! 5 hours ago, longshanks said: Before I turned the page and saw Johns reply, I was going to say 72 was the belt that goes around the gunners shoulders 71 I'll pass on for now...... Good to see progress at last 😉 Kev Thanks Kev. So now we know 72 is probably not the gunners shoulder belt, but wait .......... given none of us know what 71 is for, maybe that is to hold his trousers up? 3 hours ago, Courageous said: Very true. Welcome back to your build. Stuart Thanks Stuart, it's good to be back .......... again ........... and again............ Terry 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 So last evening started reasonably well with construction of the etch oerlikon gun shield and supports... Those who know the Coastal Craft set for this might spot that the lower cross member on the rear of the shield, should in fact be higher up. The other cross member (on the front) should be in this position. Also, my measurements were out, and the two shields needed to be closer together! That error got fixed and we ended up with a half respectable set of components, all glued together: Then a quick test of the actual guns on the cradle: Not bad I guess ............ but I wasn't happy. The resin parts in this set were not as precise in terms of moulding and finesse as I would have liked. In particular the cradle had been set onto the elevation arm in a not very straight way. Partly my fault, and partly due to the resin parts not lending themselves to good geometric alignment. I decided to dismantle the cradle itself (the resin parts I had already constructed and have a re-think. I have excellent plans for this gun mount in my references, so decided to scratch build the actual cradle. The brass parts are absolutely fine, so all we need to do is take them apart .......... er challenging! In removing the resin cradle from the resin pivot arm, the shield and the other part of the cradle got damaged: Staying calm, my next task was to remove the shield from the resin and straighten up the arms. Happy to say this worked. I'm now left with this which shows the gub support cradle which I have decided to scratch build, along with the support arms which fit to the pedestal and the gun shield. Looking at the drawing I have from the excellent Coastal Forces book, I should have scratch built the whole cradle and support arms in the first place, to achieve something much closer in accuracy and detail to the prototype. I have after all put much work into the oerlikon platform itself, and this whole assembly is a very prominent part of this build, so I want it to look good. More soon on progress on the scratch built items. Terry 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWS Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, Terry1954 said: ...the lower cross member on the rear of the shield, should in fact be higher up. The other cross member (on the front) should be in this position. ... Hi Terry, I'm curious about the rear lower cross member being 'higher up' than the front cross member. This isn't shown in any of the photos I have, e.g. my photo included in my post, above & your photo included on the previous page. Just wondering where you found the info on the 'higher up' position. Thanks, John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, JohnWS said: Hi Terry, I'm curious about the rear lower cross member being 'higher up' than the front cross member. This isn't shown in any of the photos I have, e.g. my photo included in my post, above & your photo included on the previous page. Just wondering where you found the info on the 'higher up' position. Thanks, John The placement was as per the Coastal Craft set, and it seems another small error, as indeed according to the plans I have, it is at the bottom, similar to the front. It makes sense for both to be alinged I think. And I had already corrected the model! These things are sent to try us! Terry 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWS Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Thanks Terry. Yes, 'try us' for sure. Sometimes I wonder if the manufacturers actually try to assemble their parts before they write the instructions. John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Hi Terry just wondering if this might help it was taken aboard the Jerry O,Brien in San Francisco few years back I know it is just the single mount but some similar fittings beefy 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 Great shot @beefy66. That's the best shot of the gunsight I've seen and it looks to be the same as the twin mount. Thanks! Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Good job all round Terry - I think you've got to the right place and I've made all the same mistakes as you! They are very fiddly to do (not that we can get any more of them ) However - here's an alternative for single cannon (sadly not double yet) https://micromaster.co.nz/collections/royal-navy-weapons/products/1-72-royal-navy-20mm-oerlikon-mki-gun-0º-elevation My great frustration with the CC guns was that the barrels were never straight - yo might have that to come Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 We live and learn.... good perseverance on show 👍 Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 That gun mounting is definitely a case two steps forward, one back but you'll get there in the end, albeit slowly. 11 hours ago, Terry1954 said: These things are sent to try us! ...for sure but we're modellers not assemblers, just get on with it Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 17 hours ago, robgizlu said: Good job all round Terry - I think you've got to the right place and I've made all the same mistakes as you! They are very fiddly to do (not that we can get any more of them ) However - here's an alternative for single cannon (sadly not double yet) https://micromaster.co.nz/collections/royal-navy-weapons/products/1-72-royal-navy-20mm-oerlikon-mki-gun-0º-elevation My great frustration with the CC guns was that the barrels were never straight - yo might have that to come Rob Thanks Rob. That micromaster single cannon looks superb. I notice they do a twin version in 1/96, so I have sent them a message to ask if they plan to ever do the twin in 1/72 ................ Their other stuff is very enticing I must say. I think there will be a few things winging their way to me in the not too distant future. I agree about the CC barrels. Looking at both mine, they don't look great, so I have just ordered a set of these from the big H... https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/GM-72-007?result-token=N2YIW Designed for the Crusader AA tank, but I reckon they are good for the job! 16 hours ago, longshanks said: We live and learn.... good perseverance on show 👍 Kev Thanks Kev. I'm learning that Coastal Forces models require much perseverance, especially in this scale. Loving it though, despite taking me a while! 7 hours ago, Courageous said: That gun mounting is definitely a case two steps forward, one back but you'll get there in the end, albeit slowly. ...for sure but we're modellers not assemblers, just get on with it Stuart As you can see above, another slight change on the gun mount, but I'm keen to get it as accurate as possible. After all the effort I put into the bandstand and treads, I can't have a naff looking gun mounting plonked on top! OK, OK, I'm getting on with it now............. Terry 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 A friend has reminded me of the 1/72 20mm oerlikon available from David J Parkins at Great little Ships https://www.djparkins.com/product.php?productid=18198&cat=303&page=3 Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/4/2020 at 6:41 AM, longshanks said: A friend has reminded me of the 1/72 20mm oerlikon available from David J Parkins at Great little Ships https://www.djparkins.com/product.php?productid=18198&cat=303&page=3 Kev I saw that Kev, thanks. I also approached Simon at Micromaster, to see if they would down scale the 1/96 twin mount, and sure enough he did, so that remains an option as well. While I was on the Micromaster site, I have to confess I purchased a number of items for future (and current) builds! Meanwhile work has begun on scratch building my own replacement using the Master Models brass barrels from the big H. Progress on that so far: The cradle, minus the additional stuff to hold the two oerlikons as I want to see what the Master Models parts look like for measurements etc Work on the arm to hold the cradle The rod I'm holding will be cut right down close to the two cross pieces, then some webs will need fashioning, and the whole lot then sits on top of the existing mount. Arms will be made for each end of the cross piece. You get the idea...... Other things I've started to modify to better match the prototype are the front windows below the open bridge. Photo's and drawings have convinced me the kit parts are too close together. Kit part: I decided to modify the outside pair by "moving them" outwards. I did that by adding small strips of square rod down the inside of each outside window, and removing the corresponding amount, on the outer edges of each. Clearly the kit transparencies are now not going to fit, but I didn't intend to use those anyway! So three new windows will need to be produced. More on that later. I needed to get the flag locker closer to the plans. A few bits of strip used for that: And I decided that the step up to the bridge from the rear was not at all convincing so have started to re-build that again in line with plans. Kit part: New step constructed along with more in scale areas either side. Some tool boxes will go under the one to the left of the step: There is some work to do on top of the flag locker, which houses a compass, some clips to hold a torch (I think) and a housing in which an Aldis lamp sits. This is an extract of the plan showing how busy things are on top of the flag locker. Top of picture is forward, bottom aft........ Said Aldis housing has been started to be fashioned thus: Finally for today, two storage boxes to be attached on the upright faces either side of the bridge which semi protects the area behind the bridge itself: None of the additional detail is exactly perfect, but the aim is to represent as much extra detail as possible, to generally add to the realism of the boat. More to follow soon Terry 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Good to see you going to town and do a cracking job I small suggestion..... The wheelhouse windows you remodeled in the pic appear to be rectangular, where as yours seem square. Just a thought Stay safe Kev 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, longshanks said: The wheelhouse windows you remodeled in the pic appear to be rectangular, where as yours seem square. Just a thought Yes I thought that as well. I may need to squeeze things from top to bottom, just a tad I think. It also might get resolved by the way I'm planning the windows - rectangles of clear then plastic with thin plastic strip borders. The whole lot will be stuck on the exterior, giving the raised effect seen in the picture. Something like that. Need to think it through. Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWS Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Terry1954 said: ... rectangles of clear then plastic with thin plastic strip borders. The whole lot will be stuck on the exterior, giving the raised effect seen in the picture. That's basically what I've done on my Brave Borderer build, except I cut the window borders from one piece of plastic. Your idea should work, as well. It'll just take a little fiddling to place the tiny strips around the windows. John 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 8:32 PM, JohnWS said: That's basically what I've done on my Brave Borderer build, except I cut the window borders from one piece of plastic. Your idea should work, as well. It'll just take a little fiddling to place the tiny strips around the windows. Thanks John. I've been working on that idea of yours using some thin strip, this attempt was a sort of test. I built all three together, to get the dimensions as close to each other as possible........ Then I cut each one out and cleaned it up: I think this might work. A bit more cleaning up needed though. Next I did some more work on the Oerlikon support. I'm having a go at scratch building one myself. This part was fashioned from tube and scrap card for the webs. Support arms and spacer shown as well: Assembled onto the CC pedestal. I've also made a base from scratch, which will need my ultra small hexagonal bolts, courtesy of the MAFVA shop! The twin guns themselves need replacement, as the barrels CC were not straight: I plan to remove both barrel sections from the breach area and use these beauties which arrived this week: As you can see they are miniature masterpieces and should fit neatly onto the existing breach block. More on that later. Incidentally, the Master Models accessories are so compelling, I took the opportunity to acquire a few more bits for other/future projects as you can see......... Finally I've also done a bit more work around the rear of the bridge, on the flag locker top (Compass, equipment clip and Aldis lamp holder) A couple of views of the rear of the bridge itself, also showing the remodelled under parts and step up. Major sub assemblies here are still not glued, due to awaiting paint. Next area of focus will be to get the Oerlikons completed, and the front part of the bridge and windows. I also had a delivery of paint from Sovereign Hobbies, although a couple of key colours are still awaiting stock, but at least now I can get on with painting the inside of the bridge area, before bringing it together finally. More soon Terry 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Nice work Terry, we'll make a full blown scratch builder out of you yet Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWS Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, longshanks said: Nice work Terry, we'll make a full blown scratch builder out of you yet Kev Ditto! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Those 20mm Master barrells look very nice there Terry and some very nice details you have added Beefy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Very, very nice. That's praise Terry, take it, normal service will resume shortly. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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