72modeler Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 (edited) While searching for more 8th FBG photos, I found this collection of Korean War photos- mostly aircraft, but also ground personnel, airfields, and aircrew. Many I have never see before. The photos of the wrecked F4U-5NL belong to Lt. Guy "Lucky Pierre" Bordelon's Corsair. He was the only USN Korean war ace. His mount was named "Annie-Mo" after his wife, and was wrecked while being flown by another pilot. I think there are a lot of good modeling possibilities here. I hope you enjoy looking at them. Mike https://sandrermakoff.livejournal.com/641744.html Edited August 17, 2018 by 72modeler fixed link 11 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixII Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Thanks for sharing Mike, some great photos there 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Dot Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 an amazing set of photos, so thanks for sharing. I can't believe there are only two comments Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixII Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Mike, as Andy has said very few comments. If I may? could I suggest it be moved to the Cold War section? Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 Paul, How do I go about doing what you have suggested; I agree and think more BM'ers would see the photos there. I searched the FAQ's but didn't see anything. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaddad Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Hi Mike, I can see the list of photo's but how do I access them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixII Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 spad, copy and paste the URL On 8/11/2018 at 6:08 PM, 72modeler said: THIS bit! https://sandrermakoff.livejournal.com/641744.html HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixII Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Mike, think you'll have to ask one of the moderators to move the piece. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 15 hours ago, PhoenixII said: Mike, as Andy has said very few comments. If I may? could I suggest it be moved to the Cold War section? Paul Paul- I have sent Mike a PM asking him to move my post to the Cold War aircraft modeling section. Thanks for the suggestion- I never am quite sure sometimes where to put some of my posts, especially the ones that deal with photo collections. (Cold, windy moor, eh? It's going to be 104 F here today in sunny San Antonio!) Cheers! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixII Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Hi Mike, Ahh, I see, straight to the head honcho! 👍 Photo's can be tricky. Many that come on here will never look at the photo section, me? I'm nosey! Glad I am, otherwise I'd miss out on a fair bit! You could ask if it's possible to post in both sections, that way all the bases are covered. He, he, yup! cold and windy North Yorkshire Moor, temperature here is currently around 20C +/- (68F) and just a mere zephr of wind, around 40 MPH. We're hard up here! Got to be, we live in the UK! Wet, Wind, Snow, Rain and Hail then the other extreme you cook! though not at 104F (40C) Crank the AirCon up my friend, Paul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) @Sabrejet, can you look at the photo of 48-217, which I think is a 4th FG F-86A-5, that is in the Korean War Photo Collection I posted in Aviation Photography? Is that a strike camera fitted in the top of the intake? Looks like the radar ranging gunsight unit has been removed and this camera has been fitted in its place; never seen this before. Also, it Looks like the 4th's first markings scheme, with the black/white stripes and the fin slash having been removed and/or overpainted. Mike Edited August 17, 2018 by 72modeler corrected spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Mike, 48-217 was the proof-of-concept demonstrator for the first RF-86A photo recon version of the F-86A. I've done a lot of research into these aircraft and there is a lot of incorrect info out there. This first machine was fitted with a single forward oblique (‘dicing’) K-22 camera with 24-inch cone, with the lens protruding through a hole in the upper intake lip (as shown in the photo), and with an exposed lens aperture. This installation was complemented by two K-24 cameras with 20-inch cones, installed aft of the nose gear and shooting vertically. Following conversion, 48-217 was marked "Honeybucket No.1" (an unkind reference to a portable toilet, presumably because the modified nose was rather untidy) and served with 15th Tac Recon Sqn from 28 November 1951 where it was more sympathetically named “Priss 8th” by Capt Clyde Voss on its port/LH side; the 'No.1' seems to have been erased from the stbd/RH side around this time. Note that there is no evidence of a “Project Honeybucket”, despite what any number of articles seem to indicate: it would instead seem that the aircraft’s nickname was used as shorthand in official documents, rather than confusing matters by referring to it as “RF-86A No.1” etc. This machine was a FEAMCOM local conversion, whereas the Project Ashtray RF-86As were ARDC/AMC conversions: hence the Project nomenclature for the latter but not for 48-217. There were six Ashtray RF–86As (48-183, 48–187, 48–195, 48–196, 48–246, and 48–257 - and again at variance with many articles, which contend that there were two Honeybucket-type RF-86As). The Ashtray versions received a K-22 nose oblique camera with 24-inch cone as installed on the Honeybucket, but the AMC conversion differed in having hydraulically-actuated clamshell doors which covered the lens when not in use. All Ashtray RF-86As also had a K-22 vertical camera with 36-inch cone, installed in the fuselage centre section aft of the nose-wheel bay, and with its axis horizontal in order to fit beneath the engine intake ducting. It used a 45-degree mirror to shoot a vertical image through a camera window in the underside of the fuselage on the right-hand side. Following preliminary tests, it was found that a 36-inch cone on the dicing camera would be more beneficial for photographing airfields north of the Yalu, while a 24-inch cone on the vertical K-22 would allow greater coverage for missions previously flown with the 36-inch cone. The swap was simple, with no modifications required for the aft camera and a simple adaptor used on the oblique in order to move the camera body aft by approximately 12 inches. The Honeybucket RF-86A (48-217) was not a lucky machine: it was badly damaged by ground fire over North Korea on 19 February 1952 and required repair with 6400th Air Depot Wing. It did not return to 15th TRS until 10 April 1952. Sadly it was lost after being hit by ground fire on 27 June 1952; pilot Maj Jack Williams (15th TRS CO) was killed. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, Sabrejet said: Sadly it was lost after being hit by ground fire on 27 June 1952; pilot Maj Jack Williams (15th TRS CO) was killed. So, does this mean the aircraft was used mostly for low-level photography? Thanks for the education regarding RF-86's- I never expected such a detailed response- you are da (Sabre) man! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Yes - lower levels down to circa 6,000ft for the verticals but altitudes varied somewhat depending on coverage required. The nose oblique camera was less critical. But these aircraft, along with Ashtray RF-86Fs, weren't very capable and their speed was their main advantage. Later Haymaker RF-86Fs were of more use, and converted in larger numbers. 48-217 was incidentally one of the first F-86As in Korea: it served with 4th FGp in the 'States from August 1949 (334th FS) and flew with the same unit in Korea from 18 December 1950 prior to conversion to a recce bird. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky boy Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Great collection of photos there. Thanks for sharing James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisTheBear Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Interesting photo of one of the SAAF F-51s showing the propeller blades painted blue as well as the spinner. First time I've seen that photo. DennisTheBear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valenstitch Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Colossal photos! When I was just a lad I had a book from the library on almost permanent loan, I think it was called "Air war over Korea", ever since I found that book I have been interested in the aircraft and the men who flew them in that conflict. It`s made my saturday! Granto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyW Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Astonishing pictures! Thanks for the link, very much appreciated. Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 A fantastic array of photos in this lot, thanks for posting the link @72modeler Mike. The VMF-323 F4U-4s are stand outs for me. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfordhibby Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Yep! that did it for me. Highlight of the week, thanks for posting the link. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinChipmunkfan Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 What a fantastic collection of photographs. These are historically interesting and very useful for modelling Korean war subjects - particularly liked the sSyknights. Thankl you for sharing them with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJP Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Fabulous set of photos and colour too - thanks for posting CJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Hello Mike, You made my day with this posting. What a quality pictures. It shows clearly the conditions of operations at the time. Regards, Orion / The Netherlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmig Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Great photos! I've seen the pic of Chappie James numerous times, and it has always intrigued me. It must be the only 'shark-mouth' P-51 in Korea that isn't smiling. And what's with that "eye" behind the exhaust? The red and yellow spinner is also unusual. Does anyone have any info on the rest of his aircraft's markings? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 Bob, I went through every reference book I have on Korean War Mustangs (Take my word for it when I say I think I have just about every one printed!) and I could not find any photo or text reference with the serial number and/or other markings for Chappie's P-51. Every photo of his Mustang in every book I examined has this same photo. I could post a query to one of the members of the P-51 Mustang SIG, of which I am a member, to see if one of them knows, but I'm betting if the serial of this P-51D was known, it would have been published by now. Best I could do- sorry. Maybe one of our resident BM'ers can help you. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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