Troy Smith Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 one for @Learstang posted on Hyperscale https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/ilyushin-il-2-sturmovik-raised-from-a-russian-lake-t496959.html direct link http://warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-news/ilyushin-il-2-sturmovik-raised-from-a-russian-lake.html Posted up a thread on Soviet Warplanes for colour discussion http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=2380.0 cheers T 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Yes, I've just seen about this Troy! Thank you for posting these links! Except for the rotted-out wooden fuselage, the aircraft appears to be in good shape, with even the glass in the canopy remaining. Those cold-water lakes in Northern Russia keep giving - who knows what else is out there? An Il-4, a Pe-2, a Tu-2? Best Regards, Jason 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Pretty amazing what they keep turning up, hope it continues Cheers Dennis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
degsye39 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 That is incredible troy, thanks! Like others have said it makes you wonder just what else is submerged out there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Thanks Troy, that Sovietwarplanes thread has potential to grow as more is revealed I'd hope, lets hope, as said, the snap shot in time is fully utilised before restoration begins., Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 As much as I prefer the two-seaters, it will be nice to have a single-seater Il-2 flying again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 9 hours ago, k5054nz said: As much as I prefer the two-seaters, it will be nice to have a single-seater Il-2 flying again. There was a single-seater that was recovered from a lake near Murmansk that I believe is being restored to flyable status. It was in much the same condition this one is - complete except for the rotted-away wooden rear fuselage. Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 That rich medium blue shade, is this the early underside colour ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted August 11, 2018 Author Share Posted August 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, occa said: That rich medium blue shade, is this the early underside colour ? No, sky reflection, but what is interesting is the white stripes, I'd not spotted that, @Learstang may have something to say, as I noted what looked like a white panel on the wing, but just wondered if it was gun panel that was made of a different material... perhaps not note the wing is standard AMT-4 Green and AMT-6 black otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 But I think the 'white stripe' is just an aluminum panel where the paint did not hold that well, the effect appears on the elevator too ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 Those stabilisers are interesting; that does look like white paint. The Soviets did use white and other colour stripes for quick identification purposes, but you normally see these on the wings, the fuselage, and/or the fin/rudder. However, those stabiliser 'stripes' do seem to follow the panel lines, and on one of the stripes, the bluish colour is superimposed on the whitish colour. That does appear to be the underside of the tail planes, as I don't see any (much?) evidence of the elevator trim tab linkages, which were on the top (although maybe on the nearest elevator there is a hint of the linkage?). I'd like to find photographs of the entire recovered aircraft - I'm sure those will appear soon, if they haven't already. Regards, Jason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Learstang said: Those stabilisers are interesting; that does look like white paint. The Soviets did use white and other colour stripes for quick identification purposes, but you normally see these on the wings, the fuselage, and/or the fin/rudder. However, those stabiliser 'stripes' do seem to follow the panel lines, and on one of the stripes, the bluish colour is superimposed on the whitish colour. That does appear to be the underside of the tail planes, as I don't see any (much?) evidence of the elevator trim tab linkages, which were on the top (although maybe on the nearest elevator there is a hint of the linkage?). I'd like to find photographs of the entire recovered aircraft - I'm sure those will appear soon, if they haven't already. Regards, Jason You beat me to it, I just wanted to say that I was caught in looking at pictures to confirm it must show the undersides indeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, occa said: You beat me to it, I just wanted to say that I was caught in looking at pictures to confirm it must show the undersides indeed. Nothing is ever easy. I've looked at another photograph of the horizontal tail planes on the Warbirds site and I think I can see evidence of the linkages. Also, there appears to be green and black paint on the surface. That bluish tint may just be a reflection of the sky off the wet black paint. Look at the fabric of the nearest elevator - that looks greenish to me. So now it appears to me that this may be the topsides of the tail planes. But give me another five minutes, and I may change my mind again! Regards, Jason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 That would make a very fun diorama... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Learstang said: Nothing is ever easy. I've looked at another photograph of the horizontal tail planes on the Warbirds site and I think I can see evidence of the linkages. Also, there appears to be green and black paint on the surface. That bluish tint may just be a reflection of the sky off the wet black paint. Look at the fabric of the nearest elevator - that looks greenish to me. So now it appears to me that this may be the topsides of the tail planes. But give me another five minutes, and I may change my mind again! Regards, Jason Yeah obviously lol ... Almost the moment your post appeared I've discovered the actuator rod too, at least on the port side ... Cheers, Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Tessitori Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Hi, I would try to contact some of those that recovered the plane. I'm sure that they will post something on Russian forums. Once the plane is washed and closely examined, it is certainly possible to distinguish something of the colors, in particular if the light things on the stabilizers are white paint or unpainted metal. Another thing: single-seat Il-2s with metal wings should have balance weights protruding from the wing tips, but the left wing of this plne doesn't show it. I think that it was lost in the crash, but it would be interesting to check the other wing too. Regards Massimo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 On 8/12/2018 at 3:41 AM, Learstang said: There was a single-seater that was recovered from a lake near Murmansk that I believe is being restored to flyable status. It was in much the same condition this one is - complete except for the rotted-away wooden rear fuselage. Regards, Jason So this example is the second single-seater recovered for an airworthy restoration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallsBuster Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 a bit more on the history of this a/c «Штурмовик командира 3-й эскадрильи 46-го ШАП СФ капитана А.И. Каличева был подбит 22.08.1943 при штурмовке вражеского аэродрома Луостари в Мурманской области. Несмотря на повреждения, лётчик продолжил штурмовку, а затем смог вернуться на свою территорию и посадить самолёт на поверхность озера», — The gist is: The aircraft was a mount of the CO of the 3rd Sq., 46 ShAP (Ground Atack Regiment) - Captain A.I. Kalinichev. This aircraft was damaged during an attack on Loustari airfield, but despite it Cpt. Kalinichev continued the attack and then returned to the friendly territory and crash landed the Il-2 on the lake's surface. Captain Kalinichev survived the war and served in the VVS until 1955. His photo and a few more interesting pictures of this wreck (including cockpit interior) are here (text in Russian) https://zen.yandex.ru/media/iskatel/shturmovik-il2-75-let-na-dne-ozera-i-snova-v-polet-5b6d25eea121fd00ab33e6ee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 7 hours ago, k5054nz said: So this example is the second single-seater recovered for an airworthy restoration? It is indeed, Zac. I don't know much about the earlier single-seater, but I believe it may be being restored by the same outfit (Wings of Victory Foundation) that restored the straight-winged two-seater which was pulled from a Murmansk lake in much the same condition as this aeroplane. I do know that at one time an original single-seater (the 'single-seater' at Victory Park in Moscow is a modern conversion of a two-seater) was being restored in Saint Petersburg. However, this organisation (Wings of Victory) is based in Novosibirsk, in Siberia. I 'misspoke' earlier - the single-seater I referred to being recovered from the Murmansk lake was the two-seater that was restored to flying condition. Regards, Jason 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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