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Artoor_K

Sherman from 1984 "Tank" movie - 1/35 - QUESTION BEFORE WIP

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Hello,

 

I'd like to start my first tank model in my modelling history. I want to make a miniature of Sherman from "Tank" movie from 1984 with James Garner. And of course I have a problem. I know that it is M4A3, I've read about it. But I have no idea which set I can use. It looks like this one:

https://exito.sklep.pl/pl/p/ASUKA-TASCA-35032-135-US-Medium-Tank-M4-Sherman-Late-Fay/32917

 

...but it's late M4 😳

 

This is real one, Sherman from exactly this movie.

43960932031_f46d77fe8b_o.jpg_BrzEg8gBmk___KGrHqUOKi0EvPW0knWWBL1N1_jHJw___3 by Arti Kapi, on Flickr

43960931981_98531a04ca_o.jpg_BrzEiVwB2k___KGrHqIOKjIEvNqjcYH9BL1N1E_TuQ___3 by Arti Kapi, on Flickr

42152371820_915f77ffed_o.jpg_BrzEkZw_Wk___KGrHqIOKkIEvOEh1_4hBL1N1Kw5oQ___3 by Arti Kapi, on Flickr

43960932691_8a70d91e24_o.jpg05_M4_A3_75mm_SHERMAN by Arti Kapi, on Flickr

 

Which set can I buy to model exactly this tank? Guys, help!

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I'd suggest searching Scalemates for models of M4A3s, I know a few companies sell a model, such as Tamiya, which should suit your purposes. However, I don't know what that item above the left headlight is, so that might be something you have to scratch build.

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10 minutes ago, Sairou said:

I'd suggest searching Scalemates for models of M4A3s, I know a few companies sell a model, such as Tamiya, which should suit your purposes. However, I don't know what that item above the left headlight is, so that might be something you have to scratch build.

That was my first shot. Unfortunately, there is no such 1/35 model that has enlargered front hatches and additional armor on them. So I'm asking...

Only Asuka set mentioned above has them. But this is not M4A3. I've outlined these areas on photo. 

43056799815_20fdd61258_o.jpgzaznaczenie by Arti Kapi, on Flickr

 

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49 minutes ago, Artoor_K said:

That was my first shot. Unfortunately, there is no such 1/35 model that has enlargered front hatches and additional armor on them. So I'm asking...

Only Asuka set mentioned above has them. But this is not M4A3. I've outlined these areas on photo. 

43056799815_20fdd61258_o.jpgzaznaczenie by Arti Kapi, on Flickr

 

I'm definitely not well-versed in M4 types, so my help is going to be limited. Luckily for you, there are a few Sherman buffs on this forum, who will hopefully respond in due time.

Have you looked for resin conversion sets? They might be able to deliver this modification. Or, since those are relatively simple shapes, you could scratchbuild them.
I'd also advise that the Asuka M4, while being a lovely kit, might give you some grief as a first tank model. Personally, I would attempt to modify a Tamiya version, because it'd be a far less costly investment if things go south.

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interesting...

I know nothing of shermans, and as you say all the kits seem to be the flat chested ones.

this site:

http://www.theshermantank.com/the-sherman-tank-variant-page-pages-for-each-type-of-sherman-tank/the-sherman-m4a3-medium-tank/

 does not mentien anything about the enlarged hatches.

 

would a Dragon Firefly or M4A4 work and cross kit it?

the hull seems to match.

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Looking at your photo, you want an early M4A3 with small hatches. The Tamiya one is no good as although it is a 75mm turret, it has a commander's and loader's hatch (you want the early single hatch) and the hull has the large hatches. One route that you could take would be to use the Tamiya M4 as it has the single hatch turret and the applique armour in front of the driver' and gunner's hatches. But you would need to change the engine deck for an M4A3 one. Tiger Model Designs might do one.

HTH's.

 

John. 

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I've just done a search for images from the movie and found this one -

tank-1984-james-garner.jpg

 

This is an M4 with cast hull hatch mounts, not an M4A3

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So M4 from Asuka as linked on first post is ok but I have to change some details like engine deck right?

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Are we looking at two different tanks here? Or one that has been altered for the film. The first ones that Artoor posted are an M4A3, look at the engine deck and the exhaust deflector. But the one that Niall posted is different. Look at the applique in front of the hoods. Or is this a "Hollywood" Sherman?

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4 hours ago, Bullbasket said:

Are we looking at two different tanks here? Or one that has been altered for the film. The first ones that Artoor posted are an M4A3, look at the engine deck and the exhaust deflector. But the one that Niall posted is different. Look at the applique in front of the hoods. Or is this a "Hollywood" Sherman?

You're right! The one from movie has a number on turret. Sherman from museum photos doesn't! There is no cast numer there! There are two different tanks. Okay , how to model the one from museum photos?

 

Hull from this one:

https://www.mojehobby.pl/products/U.S.-Medium-Tank-M4-Sherman-Early-Production.html

 

...with rest from this:

https://www.mojehobby.pl/products/US-Medium-Tank-M4A3-Sherman-75mm-Gun-Late-Production.html

 

OR, buy this one, to model exact tank from movie. There are a lot of unused parts to other versions. Only exhaust deflector needs to be scratchbuilt:

https://www.mojehobby.pl/products/British-Army-Sherman-3-Mid-Production-with-Cast-Drivers-Hood.html

 

I've read an article on Armorama...that there are no model of this Sherman...Are they right?

 

I'm more into S-F, I know nothing about Shermans :)

 

Some screens from movie:

30101427458_a776e37945_b.jpgi153558 by Arti Kapi, on Flickr

29031981707_9c34fd273f_b.jpgcapture6xva2.5218 by Arti Kapi, on Flickr

30101427618_536b159379_b.jpgcapture6rsnpf2.6180 by Arti Kapi, on Flickr

30101427848_5b5be1f839_b.jpgcapture6vww9.695 by Arti Kapi, on Flickr

30101427938_a55e941f4b_b.jpgthe-tank by Arti Kapi, on Flickr

 

 

 

Edited by Artoor_K

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It's a minefield trawling through all the different versions of the Sherman. But what you've suggested there is the way that I'd go. Tamiya M4 and convert it with parts from the Tamiya M4A3. You don't want the Asuka British Sherman lll kit. That's a diesel engined M4A2.

Good luck with it.

 

John.

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2 hours ago, Bullbasket said:

It's a minefield trawling through all the different versions of the Sherman. But what you've suggested there is the way that I'd go. Tamiya M4 and convert it with parts from the Tamiya M4A3. You don't want the Asuka British Sherman lll kit. That's a diesel engined M4A2.

Good luck with it.

  

John.

So...I got an inexpensive solution :D I have hobby shop near my home where both Shermans are available :) 

 

Many thanks for everyone :D

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...but M4A3 model from Tamiya with 105 mm instead of m4A375 mm is better...because of single commander hatch. I will have this hatch, engine deck and exhaust at once :)

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This website may be of help. There seems to be quite a number of alternative M4 chassis and conversions.

 

Regards,

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