The Spadgent Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/9/2018 at 10:43 PM, Quietstorm7 said: Thanks for that I've superglued them on ! Is there any way to unglue superglue without damaging the plastic ? I think the brute force approach seemed to work just fine. 😀 just noticed this after you popped up on my build. Your fish looks great! She’s a big un too. I built the Tamiya one as my first build on BM. A lot of love and a lot of mistakes too but it’s all about learning right. 😉 your Tank looked awesome by the way. just a note, and I wouldn’t touch a thing as it looks fine as is but I do love my pre shading. yours looks really well done (and I can’t remember if I did this on mine or not) but.... the dark lines go where the panel lines are, as you have done. The stretched fabric parts however usually have the darkness in the dips and the peaks are left or highlighted. You can give a fake light direction if you wish but I find the middle works fine. Either way she’s looking really nice and I’ll tag along if you don’t mind. I’ve never seen one this big built before. all the best and thanks for sharing. The office looks ace by the way. Johnny. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietstorm7 Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 Hi Johnny, Thanks for the comments, and happy to have you along !, still on a really steep leaning curve and always think I'm doing things wrong !, I'm sure I'll upset some purists by getting things wrong but I'm having fun !, and that's all that matters to me at the moment....lol I wish I'd known about the shading on the fabric wings (should have realised this if I'd thought it through....)but I guess its too late now, I'll mark this down as artistic license...lol Thanks again, Alan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietstorm7 Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 Hi guys, I think my next step is give the Swordfish parts a gloss coat and apply the decals,finish the undercarriage and build the torpedo. Then I think I'll try and get it assembled, not sure if I should paint the photo etch stringing before application or after (leaning towards after at the moment) Fit the undercarriage, weather it, then lastly fit the torpedo ? How does that sound ? Night night Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Hey don’t worry you’re not upsetting anyone. Especially me, I’m still new too.😀 it’s all about fun and learning new stuff. I didn’t see your last post before I posted my thing. She looks great painted up. Deffo gloss coat before you plop the decals on. I’d probably paint the photo etch before you put it on. Lots of masking otherwise but if you have a plan, stick with it. great progress sir. Very impressed. Jont. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Quietstorm7 said: And I can see the engine again....yay ! Need to think about what's next ? Toodle pip ! Alan I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Trumpeter got the engine colour callouts wrong. The central portion ( gear casing ) should be semi-matte black, not silver. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205156784 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205186420 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205186312 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205152299 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205140415 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205259283 Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelT Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I'm currently building the MkII and it seems Trumpeter got a lot of things wrong but what the hell, you build it so that you can admire it yourself and it looks pretty great so far. In my own build I'm trying to get the colours "right" but just for the heck of it and because I enjoy the research, but often it's harder work than building the model and certainly not worth the effort unless you enjoy that kind of thing. Besides often there seems to be no definitive answer and the more you delve the more contradictions you find. Plus, should I get something wrong who really cares, not me that's for sure, the whole trick is to have fun. However, all that said it's always great to get feedback even if it is too late to fix it since it's the best way to learn moving forward. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietstorm7 Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 9 hours ago, dogsbody said: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Trumpeter got the engine colour callouts wrong. The central portion ( gear casing ) should be semi-matte black, not silver. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205156784 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205186420 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205186312 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205152299 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205140415 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205259283 Chris Thanks for that Chris 👍, trying not to stress too much about it being 100% historically accurate, but that should be an easy enough fix, other bit I'm in a quandary over is the front bit of the engine cowl....some look to be painted as part of the scheme and some look to be a dark copper colour not sure which is correct but think I might go with this as I think it looks cool 😎 Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Hello Alan, Great build on your stringbag !! Really love the painting effects, I'm not a great fan of pre shading but I'll give it a try ! Following the wise advices from @The Spadgent That look really good ! By the way, what's the Goblin's beer you seem to add to your build ??? Did'nt know it but I'm curious, is this tasty ?? Congrats Dear, For a first !! you did great !! Sincerely. CC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 9 hours ago, Quietstorm7 said: Thanks for that Chris 👍, trying not to stress too much about it being 100% historically accurate, but that should be an easy enough fix, other bit I'm in a quandary over is the front bit of the engine cowl....some look to be painted as part of the scheme and some look to be a dark copper colour not sure which is correct but think I might go with this as I think it looks cool 😎 Alan The front of the cowling is the exhaust collector. When new, they would have been steel coloured, but quickly became heat stained. They would then be a kind of metallic brown colour but NEVER EVER shiny copper or bronze. There are many photos online of Blenheim, Gladiator, Lysander and Swordfish that are still flying. look at those and see the colour of the collectors. Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietstorm7 Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 Good shout on looking at some reference photos, just remembered I photographed a Blenheim at flying legends last year Zoomed in it looks like And What colour do we think ? Alan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) There ya go, you lucky bugger! Chris Edited August 15, 2018 by dogsbody 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietstorm7 Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 3 hours ago, corsaircorp said: Hello Alan, Great build on your stringbag !! Really love the painting effects, I'm not a great fan of pre shading but I'll give it a try ! Following the wise advices from @The Spadgent That look really good ! By the way, what's the Goblin's beer you seem to add to your build ??? Did'nt know it but I'm curious, is this tasty ?? Congrats Dear, For a first !! you did great !! Sincerely. CC Thanks CC, Really enjoying it so far, looking forward to the weathering, not looking for war so much to trying to get the wings on straight....lol....will need the help of some beer, wine or spirits for sure with that !, my possible next build may interest you ! Alan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietstorm7 Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 Good evening chaps, Not a great deal done tonight, give the old stringbag a semi gloss coat and managed to drop it, grrrrrrr detached some of the photoetch on the tail (now glued back on) and snapped off one of the breather tubes above the fuel tanks ( I'll replace this later with a bit of plastic hopefully) So after that excitement I decided to correct the colour of the gear casing to semi matt black and try to mix up a colour for the exhaust collector (thanks for the correct term Chris !). What do you think ? That's X9 brown, X10 gunmetal and a bit of X33 bronze, I'm pretty happy with that to start with, I'll hopefully try to add some variation when I get onto weathering..... You may have spotted a decal on there too, got them done as well Pretty happy with how they went on And that's it for tonight Bye for now, Alan 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelT Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) Looking good, that exhaust looks great. You got those decals on very nicely too, I'm a little worried about those especially the ones over the rudder cable area I hope I can do as good a job. Shame about the breather, breaking off parts I've already fitted whilst trying to fit or fix other parts is one of my failings. I haven't dropped one yet though, what a horrific moment that must have been. At least it's an easy one to repair. Edited August 15, 2018 by KelT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelT Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) Actually, if you're interested, I just did a quick search and here is an image of your particular aircraft. L7647/'4H' of No 820 Squadron from Ark Royal flying near Gibraltar in 1940. (Topham via FAA Museum) It seems it has the straight through breather so if it's easier you could replace your broken one with the spare. Edited August 15, 2018 by KelT 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) Yes, there were two types of breathers used, with the twin-tube unit appearing to be the more common. Oh yes, it was a breather for the oil tank, not the fuel tank. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205015986 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205186087 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205186420 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205185264 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205125279 I think it may depend on where ( Fairey or Blackburn ) the Swordfish was built and when. Chris Edited August 15, 2018 by dogsbody 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Hi Alan, Weathering ?? Once again, I have been induced in Flory washes by the same @The Spadgent easy to use, to correct and great effects !! For a pretty good basic weathering, it's ace ! Then I tend to use some oïl paints ! Really good Stringbag and now you have a photo ref !! Sincerely. CC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelT Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Quote 2 hours ago, dogsbody said: Oh yes, it was a breather for the oil tank, not the fuel tank. Thanks for that dogsbody it answers a question I asked in my own build, I couldn't identify what the pipes function were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azgaron Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Very nice work! Looks great! Håkan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietstorm7 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 12 hours ago, KelT said: Actually, if you're interested, I just did a quick search and here is an image of your particular aircraft. L7647/'4H' of No 820 Squadron from Ark Royal flying near Gibraltar in 1940. (Topham via FAA Museum) It seems it has the straight through breather so if it's easier you could replace your broken one with the spare. oooohhh, thanks for that !, looks like my decal on the side of the nose is is the wrong position, never mind. The light on the lower wing looks very dark as well?, wonder if it was coloured ? Thanks again Alan 2 hours ago, Azgaron said: Very nice work! Looks great! Håkan Thank you Sir ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietstorm7 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 11 hours ago, dogsbody said: Yes, there were two types of breathers used, with the twin-tube unit appearing to be the more common. Oh yes, it was a breather for the oil tank, not the fuel tank. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205015986 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205186087 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205186420 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205185264 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205125279 I think it may depend on where ( Fairey or Blackburn ) the Swordfish was built and when. Chris Thanks for that Chris ! 11 hours ago, corsaircorp said: Hi Alan, Weathering ?? Once again, I have been induced in Flory washes by the same @The Spadgent easy to use, to correct and great effects !! For a pretty good basic weathering, it's ace ! Then I tend to use some oïl paints ! Really good Stringbag and now you have a photo ref !! Sincerely. CC Hi CC, Have just taken delivery of some Flory washes and watched a few tutorials, looks like a fun process ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietstorm7 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Hi gents, A question for the great hive mind..... Thinking of weathering the bits before final assembly as I think the rigging will get in the way if I try and do it after. Going to give it another coat of gloss tonight...then do I Flory wash and gloss again or can I put oils on top of the Flory without another gloss coat ?, will put a matt coat on when everything is finally assembled. Does this sound correct ? Thanks Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelT Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, Quietstorm7 said: oooohhh, thanks for that !, looks like my decal on the side of the nose is is the wrong position, never mind. The light on the lower wing looks very dark as well?, wonder if it was coloured ? I don't think the light is coloured, it's a landing light so a little like a headlight, I suspect what you are seeing is just shadow from the wing edge. Considering you didn't have a reference photo before I think your nose decal is impressively close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietstorm7 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Hi guys, Tonight's exciting Installment ! This happened.... Flory wash.....then waited for it to dry.... Much panic happened...seemed to really struggle to take it off and to be honest not 100% sure I like the effect but there is not a lot I can do about it now....lol At least its toned down the sky colour as I was starting to think it looked too bright, anyway have a look and see what you think ? Did a bit of work on the exhaust, added a bit of shading and some blueing, I'm pretty pleased with how this has worked 😀 You can see in the next two shots how much the sky colour (and the others for that matter) have darkened down after the wash. Before After Think it might be growing on me ? Going to gloss again next I think then try some oils ! Time for a beer now it is thirsty Thursday after all ! Alan 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelT Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I know nothing about Flory wash so when I saw that first image I just thought OMG! I figured you might have dropped it again, in the local swamp. Once cleaned up though it has quite a nice effect, a little strong for my taste but it has certainly added depth to the aircraft. Do those washes come in different strengths, most of my aircraft will be white and I think that would be a little too much distressing? The bluing on the exhaust is great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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