Su-9 Fishpot 16 Red PVO eastern Europe - finished 1/48

[trickyrich]

Only if the made one 

[exdraken]

21 hours ago, trickyrich said:

Only if the made one 

 

if you can find one, and want to even pay for it....

https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/details/rsp/detail_rsp_148006.shtml

 

for the Su-7 of corse there are slightly more options... but the IP would definitely be wrong (radar screen!!!)

 

so, my crude solution, not finished yet of course:

before the cut

 

and after....

Edited August 2, 2018 by exdraken

[trickyrich]

That’ll work well, the side panels will hide most of ethe mod work. 

[Lex77]

That is indeed a big plane, some nice progress on the build, well done.

Looking forward to the rest of it.

[exdraken]

the way better Eduard seat

 

 

 

I really wished there were color cockpit photos of Su-9/11 out there... contemporary ones  would be even better.....

[exdraken]

so......

final seat comparison.... not sure

https://flic.kr/p/28JdSvs

 

time for some glue!

the engine exhaust is as mentioned earlier for a different kit (Kopro Su-7) so there is no adequate mounting structure..... quite heavy by the way, so some nose weight into the radar cone! hope its enough!

 

because it is closed now!

 

[Col.]

Taking shape nicely Werner and yes that Eduard seat is significantly better 

[exdraken]

cockpit is soon ready!

what is the strange protruding thing behind the seat!???? anyone? please?

 

 

 

 

 

cheers, 

Werner

[Corsairfoxfouruncle]

Looks like a canopy actuator maybe ?

[trickyrich]

Gee Werner that cockpit looks awesome, it was really worth the effort to fit the new seat. 

 

My first guess would be that is and actuator for the canopy as well. I'm struggling to find out if the canopy operation was manual or powered, but I'd be going with the later.  

[Marlin]

Nice office Werner.  

/Bosse

[Hewy]

Looks suitably busy werner, very nice work 

[Nikolay Polyakov]

18 hours ago, exdraken said:

what is the strange protruding thing behind the seat!????

Looks like a large cable connector:

Edited August 7, 2018 by Nikolay Polyakov

[modelling minion]

Really coming together nicely Werner, as has already been said the replacement seat is a big improvement.

[Hewy]

Very nice example of the variance in the panel shades  on that photo werner, 

Glynn 

[exdraken]

Thx everybody!

Spending my holiday in Fishbed country!

Saw already 3 overhead... although a bit too high for my liking

 

 

[exdraken]

not much of an update, bu work resumes!

 

 

what I really like with Trumpeter is their high quality molds engineering and fit! (most of the time!)

masking will be done using tamiya tape!

 

thinking of replacing the missiles (RS-2US. AA-1 Alkali) with Eduard ones... plastic or Brassin.... any opinions on these?

 

 

Edited August 19, 2018 by exdraken

[Col.]

All good progress Werner 

[exdraken]

2 hours ago, exdraken said:

thinking of replacing the missiles (RS-2US. AA-1 Alkali) with Eduard ones... plastic or Brassin.... any opinions on these?

  

 

yeah not so easy!!!

of course there are several versions of the AA-1 Alkali.......

K-5 (M) seems to be the  RS-2U

whereas K-5M/ C seems to be the RS-2US...

 

Trumpeter supplies something closer to the K-5, Eduard has the K-5M on offer......

 

so what is the correct one now?

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-659.html

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-5_(missile)#Specifications_(RS-2US_/_K-5MS)

 

according to wikipedia above, the improved version was the one used on the Su-9.....

 

hmm!

 

any specialists out there?!

 

 

[trickyrich]

hi Werner,

 

she's looking quite nice and the cockpit is great, I vote to leave it open.

 

From what I've been able to read up on the RS-2-US (K-5MS, Izdeiye IS) is the correct one for the Su-9, that was the only one listed that she carried from that series of missiles. The "S" suffix in the missiles code stands for Sukhoi, they had to make some minor changes so it could be used with the Su-9. One of the main differences made was to change the fuse so that the missile could operate at higher altitudes (changed length by 6mm) which the Sukhoi's could achieve. The missiles had a switch on them with two settings for different altitudes, "I" (for MiG-19) 2,500 - 16,500m and "S" (Su-9) 8,200 - 20,500m. Plus the missile entered service in 1960.

 

Plus missiles sat on two different (I don't know if Trumpy supply different rails) rails/launchers, APU-19s & APU-20s. Also the tips of the missiles and pylons always had protective covers on them on the ground as the points on them were so sharp.

 

Hopefully this helps. You should try and find a copy of the book Soviet Russian Aircraft Weapons Since WWII, it's an awesome reference book.

[Aardvark]

About Su-9 weapons:

 

The armament consisted of four RS-class air-to-air RS-2US guided by radio beam, or two RS-2US and two P-55s with a thermal homing head.

Unlike the Su-7 and Su-15, the Su-9 did not carry cannon armament. Nevertheless, in the late 1960's - early 1970's. on the Su-9 they tried cannon containers UPK-23-250. The container was suspended in place of one PTB, while the second tank was also removed. The test program, conducted in the Air Force Scientific Research Institute, in which the pilots SA Lavrentyev, VV Migunov, VK Ryabii participated, included shooting at parachute targets, La-17 and ground targets. And although such weapons turned out to be by no means superfluous for the plane, but since the range of operation was reduced without PTB, the use of cannon containers on the Su-9 was not spread.

In the years 1966-1967. On two serial planes, factory and state tests of bombing armament for Su-9 passed. For the operation in the ranks, a mixed version was recommended: 2xFAB-250 + 2xRС-2US.

 

Resource:

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Су-9

 

About  type missile for Su-9.

 

К-5М/РС-2УС:
- T-3-51 / Su-9-51 - interception complex based on the T-3 / Su-9 airplane. The use of missiles in the system of armaments was envisaged by the USSR Council of Ministers Decision No. 41-198 of April 16, 1958, 4 missiles were suspended under the wing. As part of the system, the use of the Vozdukh-1 director system was envisaged in the future, assuming an automated mode of targeting the aircraft in the future. 

Resource:

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-1.html

 

About  ejection seat. I don't know which type on aftermarket (guess possible KS-3/4) but Su-9 have KS-1 early series Su-7/9 and KS-2/KS-2s late series Su-7/9. 

KS-3/4 have higher version Su-7 - Su-7BKL & Su-17.

Geometric characteristic this type seat almost close but she have different in headset:

On photo KS-2 Sources:

https://gorod.tomsk.ru/index-1294425129.php

 

About variants markings...my lovely not flying Su-9:

But this stencil as minimum 1983-1984 year is dated.

Next very interesting version "28" with "kill" markings & "good aircraft" emblems:

Some interesting have old Kanga decals including Su-9 for Cosmodrome Baikonur defense & aircraft don't successfully intercept U-2  

01.05.1960 over Sverdlovsk:

Other decals from 

my pirate boxes:

highly recommended topic's for Su-9/11 fans:

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17734&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

 

http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_p_865523.html#865523

 

B.R.

Serge

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[modelling minion]

Looking very good Werner, the cockpit looks great in place and I agree with Rich that you should leave the canopy open.

 

Some very interesting and thorough information in the 2 posts above, the more I see of this aircraft and your excellent build the more I'm tempted to get one myself.

[Vultures1]

Looking great, Werner!

[exdraken]

Thanks all Gentlemen!

 @trickyrich and @Aardvark

Especially Riche and Serge for your comprehensive updatenon my very limited, until yesterday not existing knowledge about early Russian missiles, less so the Aa-1 RS-2U  K-5 missile!

 

Regarding the seat model, thanks a lot, did not know either! Guess have to stay with what I have.... no replacement in sight! Apart from that, Trumpeters Fishpot is an early one, with cannon blast plates....

 

 

Thanks for the decal / marking info as well! So actually there is some info out there.... just not in and for 1/48!

Will have a look on these!

 

 

RS-2US it is then.... the S could also stand for Saphiere..... the radar I believe.... or Suchoi?.....

 

 

Always the same problem! You want to do a quick build, and run into the unknown and  research intensive!,,

 

 

Cheers, Werner

 

[Aardvark]

41 minutes ago, exdraken said:

Especially Riche and Serge for your comprehensive updatenon my very limited, until yesterday not existing knowledge about early Russian missiles, less so the Aa-1 RS-2U  K-5 missile!

About  missile have interesting  moment:

""Ladies and gentlemen!
Can anyone know what the Roman numerals mean on the outside of the pylons of the Su-9 plane in a circle with a diameter of 100 mm? I know for sure, chno this is not the pylon number.
Yours faithfully, Vlad."
These figures seem to indicate the compatibility of the frequencies of the radar sight and the missile guidance head. IMHO could be from I to VI. Sorry, if not quite technical terms. He served as an urgent mechanic on REO - he was also interested, he received about such an answer."

Resource:

http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/48-razmery-kryla-su-9-i-su-15-pervoi-serii-2/

44 minutes ago, exdraken said:

Regarding the seat model, thanks a lot, did not know either! Guess have to stay with what I have.... no replacement in sight! 

In My 72nd scale A-model ignored this differences, first true KS-1/2 maked in 1/72 Modelsvit on first serial version  Su-7 which  was clear fighter. If it's interesting, I may maked photo KS-1/2 & KS-3/4 in 72nd  scale from differences  manufacturer.

 

55 minutes ago, exdraken said:

Thanks for the decal / marking info as well! So actually there is some info out there.... just not in and for 1/48!

If You need l maked photo interesting You decal elements  with yardstick.

54 minutes ago, exdraken said:

RS-2US it is then.... the S could also stand for Saphiere..... the radar I believe.... or Suchoi?

IMO, Suchoi.

58 minutes ago, exdraken said:

Trumpeters Fishpot is an early one, with cannon blast plates...

Don't  remember, (may wrong) this aircraft was 

were only up to 4-5 series.

 

B.R.

Serge