exdraken Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 any idea where to get a K-55 from? that is what Trumpeter and Eduard (MiG-21) and Eduard Brassin have to offer..... take not on the size difference! (not 6mm in 1:1 scale! more like 3 mm in 1/48 scale!!) light grey: Trumpeter with a different nose (protective cover????) or RS-2U? Blueish grey from Eduard MiG-21 - light grey Here we have the Eduard internal masterpieces check the size difference please!!!! detail is good but not consistent.... between the two... somehow looks like their designers used completely different sources..... or they noted their size errors in the plastic and produced the resin ones.... all 3 of them..... somehow I am leaning towards the Eduard plastic one.... for detail and finess optimum..... what do you think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 4 hours ago, exdraken said: any idea where to get a K-55 from? In 48th? My search on the Internet does not give any positive results! But what is K-55? As written in http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/avv/k55.html K-55 was RS-2US but with infra-red sensor.....and what interesting infra-red sensor was from K-13.....yeppp....K-13 is unlicensed copy AIM-9 Sidewinder.... while the K-55 had superiority over the K-13 because the compartments in which the RS-2US had radio control equipment turned out to be empty and filled with explosives. But the manufacturers of K-13 also did not sit around like the GRU / PGU KGB, so the version of K-13M appeared and the lighter R-60 had no advantages before which, so it remained only in the Su-24, Su-9 and MiG-21. But less lyrics! Let's look at the main parameters of the PC-2UС and K-55! The main parameter for the modelers in the issue of conversion of missiles is the diameter of the hull! According to: https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/К-5_(ракета) diameter of all missiles family RS-1U/RS-2U/ RS-2US/R-55 - 200 mm (200/48= 4.16(6) mm) Now you can check which missile is more accurate in 1/48! Next parameter is wingspan (m), 0.55 for RS-1U 0.65 for RS-2U 0.654 [4] for RS-2US 0.65 [4] for K-55 654/48=13.62mm 650/48=13.54mm 13.62-13.54=0.08 mm differences in 1/48....practice NO differences!!! So in generally You need scratchbuild new nose and posterior parts for center section RS-2US! .....or.....I don't know .....Red Top head not suitable for example?....or Falcon head? B.R. Serge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Accuracies apart werner, i much prefer the eduard ones, i did note though when i built (PART BUILT) the su-9u maiden the alkali beam riding missiles were, although nicely molded, not entirely accurate, apparently these missiles were quite poor in practice though by most accounts, i like what you've done so far, good work Glynn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Aardvark said: diameter of all missiles family RS-1U/RS-2U/ RS-2US/R-55 - 200 mm (200/48= 4.16(6) mm) So in generally You need scratchbuild new nose and posterior parts for center section RS-2US! .....or.....I don't know .....Red Top head not suitable for example?....or Falcon head? Hahaha... https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-65_Maverick#Тактико-технические_характеристики AGM-65 Maverick diameter: 305 мм 305 mm/72=4,23mm 4.23- 4.17 = 0.06 mm differences in diameter for 1/48. So, probably K-55 in 48th it's nose head 1/72 AGM-65 Maverick + center section 1/48 RS-2US + scratching ????? Some walkaround in help: http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/armory/k-5ms/?g2_page=1 http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/armory/r-55/ B.R. Serge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) thanks Serge! http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/armory/r-55/DSCF1113.JPG.html the first pic of a real one!! fantastic! yeah scratch with a Maverik might be an option! or blending in a a R-3 seeker head with some milliput! nice operational pics or radar guided ones: http://www.bellabs.ru/Fotab/Gallery/MiG-19PM_MiG-17PFU_01.html Edited August 22, 2018 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 a bit more about the Fishpot itself again: and now, ready for silver! preshading is not very effective with aluminum paints, no? Humbrol Metal cote most likely.... Alcald is not too easy to masks.... and some Master needles... they are pointy , yes!! question again, what are those pointy things by the way? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, exdraken said: and some Master needles... they are pointy , yes!! question again, what are those pointy things by the way? Hmmm.....Su-9 have pylon's for RS-2US: - APU-4 (such as MiG-19PM) probably on early version Su-9 - APU-19 (internal) andAPU-20 (external) - APU-7 (on ????) But for K-55 used other pylon - APU-68UM on Su-9 it was external pylon: So, if You need K-55, You need pylon APU-68UM! B.R. Serge P.S. About KS-1/2 & KS-3/4. Information about KS-1/2 we know from original technical manual on this aircraft. But on photo some aircraft the headline is more like the head of KS-3/4. Perhaps the Su-9 was modernized and in the course of these improvements received instead of KS-1/2 on ejection seat KS-3/4? This my assumption is nothing more than. Edited August 23, 2018 by Aardvark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 thanks Serge! looks like an operational K-55 above!!!! thanks for the Pylon info.... is there a lot of difference to an APU-7 pylon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 On 8/22/2018 at 11:36 PM, exdraken said: and now, ready for silver! preshading is not very effective with aluminum paints, no? Humbrol Metal cote most likely.... Alcald is not too easy to masks B.w. PROBABLY it's GREY Su-9: because his it has a difference between the tank and the rest .... and the tank certainly has the color of natural aluminum. What do readers of this topic think about this? If this Su-9 really Grey...this little sensation! 2 hours ago, exdraken said: is there a lot of difference to an APU-7 pylon? I did not specifically investigate this issue. I need time to look at the publications on the Su-9 and MiG-21 on which this pylon could be used, because specialized publications in Russian are mostly accented directly in armament and, to a lesser extent, on canvases. Or you can ask this question on the forums of modelers about the Su-9: http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_17734.html and http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/3285-cu-9-a/ On scalemodels.ru topic more users modeller's, on air force.ru more users former pilots, technical personal and aviation historian. B.R. Serge 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 The Su-9 in the photo could be a very light grey ? Posibly could be white thats somewhat dirty ? The tanks are definitely aluminum/silver. It looks to be early/late winter as the dusting of snow on the ground indicates this. I would think mid-winter would have more snow ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: The Su-9 in the photo could be a very light grey ? Posibly could be white thats somewhat dirty ? If this grey, it's no very light grey, it's ordinary "Soviet interceptor grey" as on MiG-23 or MiG-25. Very light gray it seems from the snow around, I do not remember what is called this effect when the sun's rays are reflected from the snow and make the object more light than it is. In my opinion, I read about something similar. Su-9 in dirty white? This is very unlikely! For what? Soviet instructions for camouflage mentioned temporary winter camouflage coloring for aircraft .... but there is no photographic evidence of its actual application .... I personally have not seen it! In addition, this color (if it's coloring?) Looks like gloss as a ADC Gray on F-102/106. 1 hour ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: It looks to be early/late winter as the dusting of snow on the ground indicates this. I would think mid-winter would have more snow ? Probably this is a joint airfield, because there is An-12 on photo. I do not understand in the An-12, but it seems to me that it is the An-12 of the Polar Aviation, if I'm not mistaken, it means some one airfields of the polar regions. And in the Far North, sometimes very interesting things happened, for example, the Gray/Lt.blue MiG-19S that destroyed RB-66 over Eastern Germany was originally transferred from the North. There are photos of gray MiG-17, but these are naval aircraft. Another interesting argument .... most Su-9 have a high visible panel effect, but in this photo I do not observe the panel effect! Strange for "natural" metal Su-9! Yes, I know many experts wil say: "It can not be!" but experts also talked about camouflaged Soviet MiG-17, Su-15 and interceptors Yak-28P, however there were photos confirming the presence of camouflage on these planes! B.R. Serge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 grey! that is sure interesting! I started painting mine in metal..... first 2 shades at least! In the end I used Alclad II shades... we will see! more soon! cheers, Werner 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 You have captured The distinctive band of lighter aluminium around the cockpit really well werner, what shades have you used so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) more metal Alclad blooping 50 shades of silver.... more like below 10 actually bad photos, I know, but photos! and you get the idea and I noted I miss-masked the di-electric antenna on the fin Edited August 29, 2018 by exdraken 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Lovely subtle shading 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I like it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Nice paintjob Werner. /Bosse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) On 8/23/2018 at 4:20 PM, Aardvark said: HELP! anyone knows if those red stars, which are quite big by the way have a white background? Trumpeter ones unfortunately do not even come with the red outline, let alone being rightly dimensioned.... too fat imho? EDIT: for illustraton purposes.... some of the Red Stars I could use... probably more in the stash in kits... I am leaning a bit for the circled ones.. Iliad Design MiG-15 decals.... just above the kit decals, which will provide the number I assume now.... also note the different red tone... from bright red to relatively dark red.... only the small MiG-21 decals on the upper right are transparent without white... so I guess that option is discarded now! Edited August 30, 2018 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, exdraken said: anyone knows if those red stars, which are quite big by the way have a white background? Nobody will answer this question! The use of insignia in the USSR for the Su-9 was "Regulations on the identification marks of aircraft flying aircraft of the Armed Forces of the USSR" 1955 year and then replaced: "Regulations on the identification marks of aircraft flying aircraft of the Armed Forces of the USSR" 1974 year http://www.airforce.ru/content/documents/214-polozhenie-ob-opoznavatel-nyh-znakah-letatel-nyh-apparatov-aviacii-vooruzhyonnyh-sil-sssr/ The Internet has only scans of the 1955 regulations : http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_718832_1342849442_rrrsr-srsrsrsr-srjossrrr.jpg.html http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_718832_1342849455_rrrsr-srsrsrsr-srjossrrr-2.jpg.html http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/img_718832_1342849467_rrrsr-srsrsrsr-srjossrrr-3.jpg.html Resource: http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_40637.html But, in the book of E.A. Asentyev on the MiG-15 https://arsenal-info.ru/b/book/1198779448/29 there are excerpts from this position with reference to the MiG-15, that's what is written about insignia: "The main recognition sign of the air force "five-pointed star" was applied to wings from below and from above (red enamel A-13 or nitro-red AP) and from both sides to vertical tail. Until 1955, the "star" was also applied along the sides of the tail section of the fuselage. On the outer contour, the star was edged white (enamel A-11 or nitro-enamel AP), or aluminum (nitro-enamel AP al), and then with red stripes. "Star" when applied to the aircraft should have the largest possible size, but not exceed the established standard sizes(mm): (It's was table!) Diameter of the circumscribed circle 600 800 1000 1200 1500 1800 2100 Width of white border 20 25 30 35 40 50 60 Width of the red fringing 10 10 10 10 15 15 20 On the wing, the "star" was applied in such a way that the distance from its center to the end of the wing was 0.1-0.15 times the span, and from the leading edge of the wing to the top of the "star" - within 50-150 mm. At its lower ends, the "star" (without the fringing) should not extend beyond the wing-aileron boundary. On the ailerons it was allowed to apply only the edging of the "star". On the vertical tail, the star was placed in the center of the keel area below the stabilizer. The ends of the "star" should be located at a distance from the edges of the keel and the rudder at a distance of 50-150 mm." So, "Regulations on the identification marks of aircraft flying aircraft of the Armed Forces of the USSR" 1955 year does not regulate what edging can have a "star" white or aluminic! Thus, you can find out what edging the star had on a particular airplane, white or aluminum, only if there is a good color photograph of this aircraft! But, with good color photograph Sovit aircraft we have a problem! Therefore, if there is no photo, you can make the color (white or aluminum) of the edging the one you want! About size star. No problem with "red star" because "Begemot" maked decals for 1/32: http://www.begemotdecals.ru/showpos.php?lang=1&id=174 for 1/48: http://www.begemotdecals.ru/showpos.php?lang=1&id=171 for 1/72: http://www.begemotdecals.ru/showpos.php?lang=1&id=170 B.R. Serge 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 17 hours ago, Aardvark said: Nobody will answer this question! The use of insignia in the USSR for the Su-9 was "Regulations on the identification marks of aircraft flying aircraft of the Armed Forces of the USSR" 1955 year and then replaced: "Regulations on the identification marks of aircraft flying aircraft of the Armed Forces of the USSR" 1974 year ... ... .. 17 hours ago, Aardvark said: So, "Regulations on the identification marks of aircraft flying aircraft of the Armed Forces of the USSR" 1955 year does not regulate what edging can have a "star" white or aluminic! Thus, you can find out what edging the star had on a particular airplane, white or aluminum, only if there is a good color photograph of this aircraft! But, with good color photograph Sovit aircraft we have a problem! Therefore, if there is no photo, you can make the color (white or aluminum) of the edging the one you want! B.R. Serge thanks a lot again Serge! will get these markings for 1/48: http://www.begemotdecals.ru/showpos.php?lang=1&id=171 from Begemot for a future build ..... (Su-7 /11 / 15??) but no chance they will arrive in time..... which means now.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 so guys! thank a lot for your help! decals are on... 10 all in all hope you have no great reason for objection now! RED 16 it is! I used the smaller ones from the Iliad design MiG-15 sheet. the big ones were simply too big Numbers are from the kit! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Really nice work Werner. You have done a superb job on the masking and different shades of metal paint, Some really interesting information from Serge ( @Aardvark), I particularly like the the look of the Su-9's in the air defence grey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 No objections at all Werner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 Eduard RS-2US missiles from 2 of their fantastic MiG-21 kits ready for painting 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share Posted September 1, 2018 better light how best to weather this girl? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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