exdraken Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) this will be an attempt to start to counter the large NATO overweight in this GB! Su-9 Fishpot PVO Soviet Air Defence Force Airbase/ Regiment : not decided yet. Crimea: 136 th IAP in Kirovskoye maybe? or 894th at Ozyornoye/ Ozerne nowadays ucraine? any suggestions from your side?! Trumpeter 1/48 Eduard Brassin Seat Master Pitot Wolfpak Exhaust ...? cheers, and o be started soon! Edited September 30, 2018 by exdraken 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Great choice 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 A great choice indeed commrade. Glad to see see you joining in the struggle against the tide of Capitalist oppression with such a fine example of glorious Soviet engineering Have to admit the only reason I've not added one of these to my own stash is not coming across any for sale yet so will be watching your progress with interest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 26, 2018 Author Share Posted July 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Col. said: A great choice indeed commrade. Glad to see see you joining in the struggle against the tide of Capitalist oppression with such a fine example of glorious Soviet engineering Have to admit the only reason I've not added one of these to my own stash is not coming across any for sale yet so will be watching your progress with interest. thanks Col! yeah, a complete communist me is... that's why I have this, a Su-11, and lots of AM lying around... just waiting for a dedicated GB to happen! the Chinese Successors seem to know how to make capitalist business at least with me! I repeat my question: any suggestions for appropriate airbases, Squadrons, numbers, (I know, red or blue... as long as it is black... ) I noted that there are no dedicated decals out there!!!!!! 🤯 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I like!!! If it wasn't for the NMF I'd be building one of these or an Su-11 (I have a Kazan Su-11 conversion kit for the old OEZ Su-7). Decals are hard to find but there again the marking didn't vary much from aircraft to aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 On 7/27/2018 at 5:31 AM, trickyrich said: I like!!! If it wasn't for the NMF I'd be building one of these or an Su-11 (I have a Kazan Su-11 conversion kit for the old OEZ Su-7). Decals are hard to find but there again the marking didn't vary much from aircraft to aircraft. you are on an old resin kits/ conversion track obviously! Go for a Kazan Su-11! would be very interesting! regarding decals... it is only board numbers... and stars, and maybe an excellent aircraft maintenance marking..... if they were around in the 60ies already!" did some basic cutting and clean up,,,,, the nozzles are for the Su-7 (the Su-9/11 one is also available... bu I do not have it yet..) .... fit will be ok it seems! way of an improvement anyways! more soon! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Those resin parts are certainly a step up in detail level and quality 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewy Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Great choice werner, if its anything like the maiden kit i started (but still haven't finished) A simple, well fitting and enjoyable build awaits.. Glynn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 4 hours ago, exdraken said: you are on an old resin kits/ conversion track obviously! Go for a Kazan Su-11! would be very interesting! hmm I don't know what's happened to me this year, I think all that resin dust has finally gotten to me and I'm starting to mutate into a resin beast! the main issue with the Su-11 is the nose section isn't quite round!! it's a wee bit oval so I'll have to fit one of those super cool aluminium air intakes. But it's not high of the project list as I don't have a donor kit yet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) thanks all, some progress, yeah looks like a fast build! cockpit could indeed be better, but....... Eduard only has PE for a Su-11, that looks different to me and the IP is actually the best aprt from the kit cockpit! RedStar Models did one years ago, but actually I do not really trust the thing.... very very expensive and too many promises for my likeing.... nozzle area, with basic paint applied.... not the best photos, but you get the idea! the pipe is about 10cm! deep! what a waste in volume, just massive!! look at today's afterburner lengths..... and a quick compassion with an early Harrier model I am building..... I mentioned elsewhere in the GB that US fighters of the time were big..... but Suchoi is not far behind! (as are some British designs... Gloster Jawelin anyone? Edited July 30, 2018 by exdraken 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Great start Werner. How much bigger than the Su-7 are the -9 ? /Bosse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Marlin said: Great start Werner. How much bigger than the Su-7 are the -9 ? /Bosse The Su-9 and 11 basically used the same body with different engines, besides the new wings the only other really visible difference is the intake. The Su-9's was bigger and the Su-11's was huge. The Kazan conversion kit I have for the Su-11 is basically new wings and new nose and that's it. You can even see the design carried over to the early Su-17's and 20's.......a long pipe with a huge engine in it! Heavy metal at it's best!! Werner, I'm so looking forward to following this build, I just love these early Sukhoi's, I've built 3 and have 3 more waiting. You know you're going to make me buy a donor kit for the Su-11! I've already looked at the conversion kit I have! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, trickyrich said: The Su-9 and 11 basically used the same body with different engines, besides the new wings the only other really visible difference is the intake. The Su-9's was bigger and the Su-11's was huge. The Kazan conversion kit I have for the Su-11 is basically new wings and new nose and that's it. You can even see the design carried over to the early Su-17's and 20's.......a long pipe with a huge engine in it! Heavy metal at it's best!! Thanks Rich. /Bosse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 If you like the Sukhoi's then you have to build one of the 1/48th KoPro models (or Eduard ones if you can find them), they did the Su-7 and Su-17/22. They based on the original OEZ released models. They quite old now but surprisingly they still the most accurate around, and they're cheap, with a huge range of after market bits available and super fun to build and update. They leave for dead in my opinion the Kitty Hawk and Hobby Boss (?) Su-17/22's, both of which have issues with accuracy. From what I have read OEZ had access to the real things at that time, just before the collapse in the east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, trickyrich said: If you like the Sukhoi's then you have to build one of the 1/48th KoPro models (or Eduard ones if you can find them), they did the Su-7 and Su-17/22. They based on the original OEZ released models. They quite old now but surprisingly they still the most accurate around, and they're cheap, with a huge range of after market bits available and super fun to build and update. They leave for dead in my opinion the Kitty Hawk and Hobby Boss (?) Su-17/22's, both of which have issues with accuracy. From what I have read OEZ had access to the real things at that time, just before the collapse in the east. Thanks Rich. I've already built one Su-7 (Kopro) and one Su-22 (Eduard) and I have a few more in the stash. Old kits yes, but they can be built. /Bosse, sorry for hi jacking your thread Werner. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 7 hours ago, exdraken said: I mentioned elsewhere in the GB that US fighters of the time were big..... but Suchoi is not far behind! (as are some British designs... Gloster Jawelin anyone? Glorious Soviet technology has no need to be small or subtle commrade This really was the era of the big fighter/interceptor project. The Su-9/11 and Javelin were big machines but by no means the biggest with the Tu-128 and Lockheed A-12 easily dwarfing them and plenty other huge projects such as the F-108 and Fairey Delta III never making it off the drawing boards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 5 hours ago, trickyrich said: I'm so looking forward to following this build, I just love these early Sukhoi's, I've built 3 and have 3 more waiting. You know you're going to make me buy a donor kit for the Su-11! I've already looked at the conversion kit I have! Go on, go on, go on Rich. You know you want to. If for nothing more than your next fix of resin dust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Col. said: Go on, go on, go on Rich. You know you want to. If for nothing more than your next fix of resin dust Easy Col., We know Rich will concede finally.... @trickyrich won't you?! Edited July 30, 2018 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Good start Werner, very nice work on the engine. She's a big bird isn't she, looks like she would give my Thud a run for it's money size wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Col. said: Go on, go on, go on Rich. You know you want to. If for nothing more than your next fix of resin dust 2 hours ago, exdraken said: Easy Col., We know Rich will concede finally.... @trickyrich won't you?! I'm going to ignore you two!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 7 hours ago, trickyrich said: I'm going to ignore you two!!! Aye, right, good luck with that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) moving on: don't know yet how to make this resin seat fit the smallish tub... oh so green! that is one detail I really like .... if they have green di-electrics, the are Soviet! and finally some photos!!: http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft20798.htm Edited July 31, 2018 by exdraken 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) I'd be tempted to make the tub fit the seat Werner. Perhaps make a new floor and space the side consoles a bit more? Know what you mean about the dielectric green; it's such a hallmark of Soviet aircraft during the Cold War. Edited July 31, 2018 by Col. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 wow that cockpit tub is small and the kit seat look silly it's way too small. The tub looks to be quite a simple design, so it's a really a simple process to either make it wider, or to scratch build a new one. You'd need to remove the floor and replace with card, then carefully cut out each side panel and move out just enough for the seat to fit. The cockpit side walls I suspect could also be thinned back quite a bit as well, as they look quite thick in the photo. For me I'd simply rebuild the lot. The other thing is that you don't really see that much through the cockpit, so you could almost leave it....but the problem is the kit's seat, it just looks wrong. Go on be adventurous, cut it up and rebuild it! What could possible go wrong.......and if it does then blame Col! I also like "Dielectric Green" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Now be honest here @trickyrich, you'd buy a replacement cockpit for the resin fix 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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