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On 11/30/2019 at 2:17 PM, Spookytooth said:

Loud!! to say the least Tony, very loud.

 

I have got to say that the "Annie" looks splendid sir.

Thanks your, Your Loudness. :winkgrin:

(Did any photos survive from the era Simon?) :devil:

On 11/30/2019 at 2:52 PM, hendie said:

 

ooohhhhhhhh, can't wait. Should be very interesting to see those results.

About 5pm Zulu time it reckons the test print should be out of the vat...

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Had a lot of fun this morning playing around with support settings and getting the printer head set up and such like:  hopefully the room temp. is warm enough for the resin to do it's thing. :fingerscrossed:

19 hours ago, giemme said:

Tony, whatever that is, I need two

Or four

I give a discount for bulk you know. :laugh:

18 hours ago, perdu said:

Blimey

 

 

Just blimey...

The language of him.

Younger modellers may be listening!

😁

17 hours ago, CedB said:

So, you have a MARS eh? Great stuff... I’m still trying to justify buying one but no luck so far

 

17 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said:

@CedB, you are me.

To misquote the Red Riding Trilogy:

'This is Britmodeller: we justify what we want.'

17 hours ago, CJP said:

The Annie looks great! - cant wait for work to start on the Sea Vixens

Looking forwards to getting stuck in myself CJ tbh! 😃

17 hours ago, keefr22 said:

Oh so close! Change Anglia to Escort and your dead on....!! 

I'm so flipping clairvoyant it's frightening sometimes Keith. :rofl:

(But only about clothes, never racehorses...) :sad:

As I mentioned to Simon above, please feel free to share any photos of you in your vintage sartorial splendour!

8 hours ago, rob85 said:

Sooooo does this mean you will be 3D printing parts?? As in you will be able to print anything (we) you want?

To take both parts of that question in turn Rob:

1. Yes I do hope to be printing parts on a regular basis where handmade methods aren't sufficient/practicable in my case.

2. I can be bought with resin. :rofl:

7 hours ago, Hamden said:

Annie looks really stunning with her war paint on and the masking off!

Kind of your as always Roger: thanks. :thumbsup2:

6 hours ago, Fritag said:

One down, how many to go.......and who’s next?  Ced? Crisp? One who’s as yet playing their cards closer to their chest?

I bet they've both already got one Steve but the shame burns so deeply that they don't know how to tell us.

It's possible Ced's even got two by this stage.... :laugh:

5 hours ago, giemme said:

One wonders.....

....what Giorgio is getting for Christmas? 😁

5 hours ago, Terry1954 said:

I think I'll prioritise it above the dental vac forming machine now!

Very sensible Terry. :thumbsup2: 😀

4 hours ago, Courageous said:

And it took a lot of work to get rid of the ridges caused by the printing process.

Was that a filament-based printer then Stuart?

3 hours ago, bigbadbadge said:

Hi Tony

Great metalworking fella and the glazing and the turret looks fantastic. Brilliant work.

Most gracious Chris. :thanks:

2 hours ago, perdu said:

let alone a spouse who say "What? Why? No way!"

Steve may be able to help your refine a few persuasive legal arguments Bill? :devil:

1 hour ago, bbudde said:

Oh and a new tool. Hopefully with a tutorial for us how to make nice 3d models.

Don't hold your breath Benedikt! 😁 (Besides I yield the floor to hendie when it comes to expertise in moulds and prints). If only part of the first print comes out I'll be happy as although it seems a relatively straightforward process to set up the object at a practical angle and have the required supports, I'm conscious that some of the smaller versions of the object may defeat the resolution of the machine. That's partly what I'm testing today to see what point it fails at, so time will tell.

 

Ok. The Elegoo's going to be chugging away all afternoon and there's only so long you can stare at the touchscreen on front of it before the excitement of watching the display refresh starts to pall a little. In and around this excitement I've been sticking bits on to Annie as were really at that stage where there's no reason not to crack on and make a bid for the finish line. The oil coolers are now in place under either nacelle:

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For all the afternoon's additions, Gator's Grip has been the glue of choice as I've come to trust its strength and flexibility no end over the course of this build. Ailerons added on either wing as well:

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Brutal way to clamp a turret into place whilst the glue sets but at least I know the undercarriage is strong enough!

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Close up of the bomb aimer's window with masking removed:

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View of the ailerons from above:

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Still the lever/mass balance assembly to put into that vacant slot beside the middle hinge of course ( as well as straighten those bent ends on the hinges themselves where my clumsy fingers have mauled them over the weeks: tribute tto GG that despite rough handling , the hinges have stayed in place so well). Not putting the rudder on until after the engine and props are fitted as too easy to bust off the aerial spike:

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Speaking of props:

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Those and the spare Quickboost Brownings all got painted last night. (nicking just one of those barrels for Annie obvs...). The props were done in Alclad primer, Tamiya acrylic for the tips, and then sealed with Aqua Gloss: I've never used the latter before and although I'd been warned by others about its temperamental nature, have to say it went on smoothly and dried to a nice finish here.

 

Ok, I have to leave the studio now as the tension is becoming unbearable watching the printer.

Or is the resin fumes? :banghead:

Either way I'll post up results of today's test over lunch tomorrow and analyze any mistakes that I think I may have made in the setup.

 

Pip, pip!

:bye:

Tony

 

PS. Beautiful sunny winter afternoon here: one of the strays we feed - 'Chocolate' - is up on the kitchen windowsill giving it full Zen sunlight absorption:

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3 minutes ago, TheBaron said:

(Did any photos survive from the era Simon?) :devil:

Thankfully they were destroyed under the Geneva Convention.

 

Looking forward to the 3d printer results Tony.

Oh yes the "Annie" looks superb sir.

 

Simon.

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BTW, Shirts. Those were the days of Ben Sherman shirts and matching shirt and tie sets (Watch Morecambe & Wise shows) and Brown.

On the bright side though, Guinness had been discovered, consumed and enjoyed. So it wasn't all bad.

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1 hour ago, TheBaron said:

About 5pm Zulu time it reckons the test print should be out of the vat...

 

nineteen thousand, nine hundred and ninety nine bananas

nineteen thousand, nine hundred and ninety eight bananas

nineteen thousand, nine hundred and ninety seven bananas

nineteen....

 

 

as a matter of interest, what value did you use for the anti-aliasing ?   I used 8 on the rotor head which looking back, I think was a touch heavy.  I may have got sharper detail using only 2 or 4

 

 

looks like you're on the last lap with the Annie Tony.  I love the subtle variations of form and color on the undersides.

 

 

1 hour ago, TheBaron said:

Brutal way to clamp a turret into place whilst the glue sets but at least I know the undercarriage is strong enough!

 

Sheesh - you even fatigue test your models?

 

That photo reminded me of my time designing buses at Alexanders nightmare in Falkirk.  They used to tilt test the buses when the design changed.  The seats were loaded up with lead weights to simulate a passenger load, and there was a tilting floor - I think the only one of its kind in the UK at that time (?).  Over the space of a few minutes the double decker was tilted to ensure the center of gravity was acceptable. If I remember correctly the ALX series could get to somewhere around 42° - 45° without tipping over

 

Found a tilt test video on yewchoob (apologies for thread drift, but thought you may find it interesting)

 

 

it was quite a sight to watch.  Your brain would be telling you one thing and your eyes were telling you something else!

 

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3 hours ago, Spookytooth said:

Looking forward to the 3d printer results Tony.

 

3 hours ago, giemme said:

Oh, the suspence arises!

The suspense is over chaps!

 

Hadn't expected quite frankly to be in a position to post another update tonight, due to thinking that I'd need to sit down and look at all the things that went wrong with my methodology and explain to you why. As it turns out the Elegoo exceeded my expectations on an fresh-out-of-the-box print: that says a lot about the tool rather than the abilities of the operator.

 

One thing that is always bothersome about looking at video guides and tutorials for this printer is that the overwhelming majority of them show big massy lumpy figures or architectural structures being produced. I don't as it happens regard such examples as a particularly reliable our useful source of information for the kind of work that we do, hence the reason for this fantasy shape having:

1.multiple types of curvature,

2. overlapping parts close together

3. thin and thick parts

in order to to test to destruction at small scale.

 

Enough blather. Here's tonight's result, fresh out of the chamber:

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Diameters of those shapes from L-R:  28mm, 14mm, 6mm respectively. The holes in you see are drains to let the excess resin out of the hollow core shape.

I was - to say the least - pretty knocked out by performance on the first go.

As you can see below, the only places in which the print failed on the largest part was where I failed to support one of the vanes adequately when creating the support structure:

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The actual thickness of those vanes is 0.19mm at their thinnest point - essentially just under double the thickness of a sheet of A4 paper. On the middle 14mm diameter version of this shape, the vanes went down to is an astonishing 0.13mm in thickness - which seems to be the threshold at which the resolution of the printer fails. Amazing.

 

Trimmed out of the supports:

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I've still a lot to learn about the best orientation to print particular shapes-  next time I might be tempted to print this flat against the surface to see if it reduces the number of contact points with the support structure between vanes. You can see a few of the stumps above where you cut that structure away - Elegoo provide a nice pair of sharp precision snips to clip the piece out, any residuals like those seen there are easily removed with a swish of the scalpel. I didn't bother cleaning the part up any further at this point to be honest as it's just a sacrificial foray to test the envelope.

 

Conclusions?

1. I'm unlikely to need to print parts as thin as those vanes thin on a regular basis so more than content that this tool is now 'required on voyage' for future projects. Quite simply it will let me be more ambitious in the kinds of structures that can be built, as a companion to existing brass and vacforming methods.

2. For the price, the resolution is outstanding.

3. Being able to pour unused resin back in to the bottle means you only use what you need.

4. It's not a replacement for traditional approaches, but provides a valuable extension of and enhancement to them.

5. You can print your own false teeth now.

 

2 hours ago, hendie said:

as a matter of interest, what value did you use for the anti-aliasing ?   I used 8 on the rotor head which looking back, I think was a touch heavy.  I may have got sharper detail using only 2 or 4

I had mine down at 4, so it's all the more surprising the results were as good as seen here. One thing I did do on parts this small was to take the diameter of the contact points for the supports down from the default value of of 0.3mm to 0.12, plus reducing the depth of the contact point so it wouldn't stick out through the other side of the thin vanes. That seemed to work fine here.

2 hours ago, hendie said:

Found a tilt test video on yewchoob (apologies for thread drift, but thought you may find it interesting)

Indeed I did! :nodding:

Use to get an RM on the 65 route from Hook to Kingston to go to school in the late 70s/early 80s. One extravagantly moustachioed driver must have been ex-Strike Command because he always took the bend into Surbiton high street at such a lick that you were convinced we were heading broadside in through the door of Sainsbury's...

54 minutes ago, Courageous said:

I believe they are but I think it's a learning curve but I'm not to sure he'll push the boat out to get to the next level.

I'm sure he will Stuart - it becomes an addictive process finding where the limit lies. :thumbsup2:

2 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said:

BTW, Shirts. Those were the days of Ben Sherman shirts and matching shirt and tie sets (Watch Morecambe & Wise shows) and Brown.

What d'you say your name was:

2 hours ago, bigbadbadge said:

It's exciting now,

Yeah yeah yeah! 😁

 

Night all.

:bye:

Tony

 

PS. A lot of the online 'how-tos' - being American - only mention US cleaning products for tidying everything up afterwards. I used an initial bath of 95% IPA, followed by a swirl in this stuff:

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and a final rinse in water seemed to do the trick with both the parts themselves, and the resin tray &etc.

 

 

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That is … pretty impressive. 
 

I’ve had some experience of the final output of various 3D print technologies, and I have to say the finish you got there, Tony, is up there. Five years ago it would have been out of the reach of mere mortals like us. 
 

I know I could use this technology for all kinds of things. Sadly, my braincell almost totally rejects learning new software these days, so it’s the creation of the initial CAD that will prevent me wanting to invest. I shall continue to rely on others who are happy to take commissions and my money. :)

 

 

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Ooooh Really nice and crisp rendition...

Well, I way one day start to look for one....

Great job on your mostly brass armoured Anson Dear Baron !!

Can't wait to see the RFI..

Sincerely.

CC a bit jealous...

 

On the other hand I may be mad enough for buying such a device...

And still I remain an old school guy !!:devil:

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59 minutes ago, TheBaron said:

I've still a lot to learn about the best orientation to print particular shapes- 

As I said, this will be a tutorial for us here  But never mind. I can send you photos with the right dimensions  from/for missing parts on my diecasts, which are always a bit toy-like, but neccessary for them. So, if you don't mind  feel free to send me a pm.

So you can play with it!

Cheers Benedikt

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16 hours ago, TheBaron said:

The actual thickness of those vanes is 0.19mm at their thinnest point

 

as an FYI - Shapeways won't accept a print with any wall thickness less than 0.3 mm - and that's using the latest and greatest technology, in theri super dooper material sets.  Cheaper materials are even larger wall thicknesses

I think getting anything to print at 0.19mm is a great achievement... maybe add in a safety factor and call the minimum 0.25 mm ?

As fine as this printer can go, I think you still have to account for scale effect - can the eye really tell the difference between  something at .3mm and another piece at 0.15mm ? 

As long as things looked "correctly" sized relative to each other I think it's fine.

 

Great first effort there Tony.  Just glad you like it after I touted its capabilities!

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13 hours ago, TheBaron said:

Enough blather. Here's tonight's result, fresh out of the chamber:

Awesome and rather scary; but all together addictive viewing..........

 

Why, what with Alan and now you Tony it’s almost mainstream......hang-on...rewind; what am I saying?  We’re hardly talking mainstream modellers here are we?.......

 

12 hours ago, Heather Kay said:

Sadly, my braincell almost totally rejects learning new software these days, so it’s the creation of the initial CAD that will prevent me wanting to invest.

 

I know what you mean.   It’s my total lack of CAD experience (lets not get on to the increasingly inflexible braincell) that feels like a major hurdle.  Heck’ I’m only just getting to grip with Acrobat/IAnnotate to go paperless/paper lite at work...... 3D CAD feels off-puttingly difficult.   P’raps I ought to find some beginner software and start learning.....very, very slowly.

 

Bravo, Tony.  

 

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10 minutes ago, Fritag said:

It’s my total lack of CAD experience (lets not get on to the increasingly inflexible braincell) that feels like a major hurdle.  Heck’ I’m only just getting to grip with Acrobat/IAnnotate to go paperless/paper lite at work...... 3D CAD feels off-puttingly difficult.   P’raps I ought to find some beginner software and start learning.....very, very slowly.

I am somewhere between you and Tony.  I m pretty confident that I will end up getting one of these 3D johnsons in the next few months, but for now I am contenting myself with learning Blender.  That’s why I’ve spent money on Ark’s boats from Shapeways; if I wait to acquire the requisite CAD skill, the printer and the inevitable test runs, it would risk pushing yet another build onto the Mañana Shelf, which I am trying hard to avoid (not least because that shelf is already crammed with Seafire 47, Walrus, Seafang, Sea King, Ark 5, Ark 2, Dido...)

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As others have said, very impressive result there Tony. I have a family full of technical/artistic design types that are into 3D design and and such like, so I have access to a good knowledge base of products, but we have yet to provision a 3D printer. I think they are looking for Dad to take the next step - funding of course! About 5 years ago one of my sons helped me 3D design some replacement main-wheels for a C-47. The design looked the business, tread hub detail etc, but at that time getting them printed through shapeways way exceeded the cost of the original model. In the end I cast a new pair in resin from masters borrowed from a friend. My own background is in software, but like @Heather Kay, I am strangely averse to learn new products ..... a kind of reluctant boredom I think having spent years with the stuff! Time to change that I think.

 

The Anson is looking superb, and now of course after many masterclasses in brass-work, we will all now get to see you dipping your toes into the 3D modelling world .......... we are right behind you!

 

Terry

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2 hours ago, Terry1954 said:

I am strangely averse to learn new products

Maybe you should add CAD to your signature Terry :rofl:.

If we all had more time, maybe we could learn new products but we don't have enough time to build the stuff we want to build, learning CAD can only eat up more valuable time with the knock-on of building less. Choices ...choices.

 

Stuart

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2 hours ago, Terry1954 said:

a kind of reluctant boredom I think having spent years with the stuff!

 

Snap!! 30 odd years working in IT has put me off learning new software for life. Just trying to cope with the vagaries of W10 is enough for me these days! I'll just crack on badly building the things in the stash more or less as they come in the box! Full of admiration though for those like Tony who can pick up these new wondrous modelling tools and techniques and produce excellent results so quickly!

 

Keith

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On 12/1/2019 at 6:44 PM, Heather Kay said:

That is … pretty impressive. 
 

I’ve had some experience of the final output of various 3D print technologies, and I have to say the finish you got there, Tony, is up there. Five years ago it would have been out of the reach of mere mortals like us. 
 

I know I could use this technology for all kinds of things. Sadly, my braincell almost totally rejects learning new software these days, so it’s the creation of the initial CAD that will prevent me wanting to invest. I shall continue to rely on others who are happy to take commissions and my money. :)

 

 

Thanks Heather. :thumbsup2:

It's a conundrum isn't it? Many people (no doubt including yourself) lead such busy lives these days that sitting down and learning 3D software on top of all their other responsibilities is just too large a budget of time to be able put aside. As you say, there are plenty of hungry young freelance designers out there willing to turn the job for a shilling or two.

On 12/1/2019 at 6:54 PM, corsaircorp said:

On the other hand I may be mad enough for buying such a device...

Of that, there can be no doubt my friend! 😜

On 12/1/2019 at 7:02 PM, perdu said:

No 3d or not.

 

 

This is stunning

 

Did I say blimey?

Thus quoth the Raven Bill... 😁

:thanks:

On 12/1/2019 at 7:13 PM, giemme said:

Cooooooool! :Tasty:   

Saliva all over my thread now.... 🤣

On 12/1/2019 at 7:18 PM, bbudde said:

I can send you photos with the right dimensions  from/for missing parts on my diecasts, which are always a bit toy-like, but neccessary for them. So, if you don't mind  feel free to send me a pm.

So you can play with it!

Ha! Nice try Benedikt. 😁 I'm afraid nothing will tempt me from the righteous path of trying to replicate a couple of Rolls Royce Avons over the next few weeks...

On 12/1/2019 at 7:21 PM, Wulfman said:

The original boxing of the Anson did not have the prominent ribs, these were added on later boxing’s,

thus needlessly spoiling the kit

Where there is distress, lies opportunity. 😄

On 12/1/2019 at 8:08 PM, hendie said:

as an FYI - Shapeways won't accept a print with any wall thickness less than 0.3 mm - and that's using the latest and greatest technology, in theri super dooper material sets.  Cheaper materials are even larger wall thicknesses

I think getting anything to print at 0.19mm is a great achievement... maybe add in a safety factor and call the minimum 0.25 mm ?

Interesting info on Shapeways (why do I have the urge to write 'Milliways?' :laugh:)  and agreed on the last point regarding minima. Anything needing to be less than 0.3mm in thickness I'm likely to use brass for on the grounds of strength and sharpness of edge anyways but it was interesting to find a datum for the printer's capabilities.

On 12/1/2019 at 8:08 PM, hendie said:

As long as things looked "correctly" sized relative to each other I think it's fine.

Sound relationship advice there Claire Rayner.... :nodding:

On 12/1/2019 at 8:20 PM, Martian Hale said:

The Anson looks evermore magnificent your Baronesship.

Big wave of the perfumed hankie in your direction you big sweetie. :thanks:

23 hours ago, Vince1159 said:

That is one very contented cat....

So he bloody well should be Vince. He gets three square meals a day and all the rats he can catch by the duck run.... 😆

21 hours ago, The Spadgent said:

Wow!!!! That’s a picture and a half.

Most kind as always Johnny: changing the bench lighting to Scandinavian Noir back in the summer not only gives better photography options but imputes a completely false air of rugged handsomeness to my ugly mug.... :laugh:

12 hours ago, Fritag said:

We’re hardly talking mainstream modellers here are we?.......

Or indeed 'strong & stable'... :rofl:

12 hours ago, Fritag said:

Heck’ I’m only just getting to grip with Acrobat/IAnnotate to go paperless/paper lite at work...... 3D CAD feels off-puttingly difficult.   P’raps I ought to find some beginner software and start learning.....very, very slowly.

Wholly unwarranted level of self-flagellation in that statement Steve. 😁

Dammit man, you flew Jags - I've only ever driven lorries for a living.

'f I can push a few points around in Cartesian space you'll be able to knock up an Eiffel Tower or two over breakfast. :nodding: @hendie should be able to point you in the direction of a decent free CAD package to cut yer tusks on. :nodding:

(Thanks for the kind words btw)...

12 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said:

I m pretty confident that I will end up getting one of these 3D johnsons in the next few months,

This is the stuff they want to hear Crisp!

12 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said:

for now I am contenting myself with learning Blender.

I guess contentment comes in many forms... :laugh:

I had an idea that may help with software - PM sent.

10 hours ago, Terry1954 said:

I am strangely averse to learn new products ..... a kind of reluctant boredom I think having spent years with the stuff! Time to change that I think.

*Sir Humphrey voice*

'If I can have played some miniscule part in persuading a valued colleague to undertake such a potentially valuable course of action, well, it would in all certainty prove itself to be a source of not inconsiderable satisfaction.'

10 hours ago, Terry1954 said:

we are right behind you!

Is it panto season already? 😁

8 hours ago, keefr22 said:

Snap!! 30 odd years working in IT has put me off learning new software for life. Just trying to cope with the vagaries of W10 is enough for me these days! I'll just crack on badly building the things in the stash more or less as they come in the box! Full of admiration though for those like Tony who can pick up these new wondrous modelling tools and techniques and produce excellent results so quickly!

I was that kid in the Chemistry class at school who always wanted to see what heppened if you heated things up beyond the point the teacher said was safe Keith. 😬🎆 🧯

1 hour ago, canberra kid said:

Fanbloodytastic work Tony,  aside from all the marulus work, I'm loving the paint work, the dark earth and green look really good.

Ultra-kind John. :thumbsup2:

 

We're in the last few innings of this build now and I'm anxious to keep momentum whilst avoiding breaking anything off if I can -footering and fettling this evening trying to get props and stbd engine sorted. It didn't, it must be said, get off to the most propitiuous of starts as I pretty quickly realized that I'd neglected to pay attention to mounting the props to the Cheetahs in a sufficiently robust manner. Tres idiotique. Out no point just trying to glue something one so risked the soldering iron to add some stubs on the rear of the props:

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Well, it worked as you can see, but at the expense of blistering the bloody paint. My fault for not thinking this through so stripped all the paint off and resprayed.

 

After that diversion it was on to the main business of the evening. Hand on heart I was incredibly childishly nervous that I'd have fracked up along the way somewhere and that the engines wouldn't be in line with each other either from the front aspect or when viewed from above. After a little persuasion in the engine bearers and an anxious wait holding things in place while he GG cured, the stbd engine was not only in line but didn't show any signs that it would promptly drop off:

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Seen from above there is a *slight* discrepancy in the 'nose' of the stbd engine being about 0.5mm forward of where it should line up with the port counterpart. I was initially annoyed with myself for not having caught that but then realized that as the port one if a plunge moulded resin copy of the stbd Engines & Things one, the actual nose of it is slightly shorter due to my less than competent moulding (you can poss. make out that difference in the shot above for yourself - the port one's snout is slightly squatter and with a correspondingly larger hole where the propshaft fits in). I reckon a slight collar of Milliput should be able to extend that port snout forward by the required amount without being intrusive.

 

Some paint damage to the metal foil areas due to handling and gluing the engine but am getting used to running repairs at this stage:

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Almost there now:

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Parts remaining to go on now are very few:

1. Pitot head under nose.

2.Lever/mass balance on top of each aileron.

3. x2 aerials on cabin roof.

4. Rudder

5. Cabin door.

 

Yes, the cabin door has been giving me pause for thought. Initial plans to have it fully open would seem to be contradicted both by the angle of the fuselage (pitched up) and resulting effect of gravity. I reckon the best compromise is to have it slightly ajar (so you can see that it's articulated as a separate part) but not unnaturally so.

 

At this point there could even be an RFI by next week.

Did I really just say that after 18 months?

 

:bye:

Tony

 

 

 

 

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