DennisTheBear Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Evening gentle BMers! I picked up an Airfix 1/72 Westland Whirlwind last year off Evilbay, and on the top a previous owner has written what I presume to be references for it (it also has a sticker on the side saying $2.75). One of the references is easy to figure out, that being "July 73 Air Inter", however the other has me stumped. What would 'PAM 26' be? And would any of you wonderful people have either if these references? DennisTheBear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cngaero Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 At a guess Dennis, I'd suggest it's PAM News, later renamed Plastic Aircraft Modelling. It disappeared from the shelves many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs2man Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 PAM News issue 26 . It was a modeling magazine produced by a gentleman in Sheffield , UK by the name of Ron Firth . It's original name was Plastic Aircraft Modellers Newsletter , later abbreviated to PAM News . It was bought out by Scale Models in the 1980s & incorporated into SM . It was a good magazine & was where I first encountered Neil Robinson . I think I've got issue 26 in the stash - I suspect that the article is one of a series called Gilding the Lily by Dennis Teague , where he showed how to improve a model with simple detail additions . I'm rubbish at scanning so if you want to PM me your address I'll put you a photocopy in the post , assuming of course that my ever-fading memory has the details correct . John Green Natwich , Cheshire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, DennisTheBear said: I picked up an Airfix 1/72 Westland Whirlwind which version? the 50's one, or the late 70's new tool? IIRC the 70's one is decent for it's time. The 50's can be upgraded, there is an early 70's Scale models with an article on this. @brewerjerry would a a good chap to advise on the kit, and you may well find more up to date references available as well. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Hard to imagine a better reference that the 4+ Publication Westland Whirlwind in their World War II wings series. At the time 4+ were cosy with the Westland archivist and did a number of superb monographs on Westland products (Wyvern, Wessex, Lysander). Fighting it out for the number 2 slot are the Crawford/Listemann Westland Whirlwind Mk I (no 4 in their Allied Wings series) and Vic Bingham's Whirlwind (Airlife, 1987) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisTheBear Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, cngaero said: At a guess Dennis, I'd suggest it's PAM News, later renamed Plastic Aircraft Modelling. It disappeared from the shelves many years ago. Thanks for that cngaero! As far as I can tell from the price sticker this kit was sold here in good old Oz, so how the original owner knew about that publication is a mystery. 24 minutes ago, rs2man said: PAM News issue 26 . It was a modeling magazine produced by a gentleman in Sheffield , UK by the name of Ron Firth . It's original name was Plastic Aircraft Modellers Newsletter , later abbreviated to PAM News . It was bought out by Scale Models in the 1980s & incorporated into SM . It was a good magazine & was where I first encountered Neil Robinson . I think I've got issue 26 in the stash - I suspect that the article is one of a series called Gilding the Lily by Dennis Teague , where he showed how to improve a model with simple detail additions . I'm rubbish at scanning so if you want to PM me your address I'll put you a photocopy in the post , assuming of course that my ever-fading memory has the details correct . John Green Natwich , Cheshire Wow! The collective knows all! Thanks for the offer John but I think that it is a little far to send anything all the way to northern Australia. I'll be able to find something on the wonderful land of the interweb. 45 minutes ago, Troy Smith said: which version? the 50's one, or the late 70's new tool? IIRC the 70's one is decent for it's time. The 50's can be upgraded, there is an early 70's Scale models with an article on this. @brewerjerry would a a good chap to advise on the kit, and you may well find more up to date references available as well. HTH Thanks for the reply Troy! It is the 1978 release with "NEW" on the box lid. The detail is finely raised panel lines and seems very nice, although the cockpit is non-existant in terms of detail. I'm sure the interweb will be my friend. DennisTheBear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-21 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 The best reference book is Valiant Wings Publishing Airframe Album No.4 The Westland Whirlwind by Richard Franks published 2014. Australia Kookaburra Publishing produced a small well detailed book on this aircraft in the sixties try Abebooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs2man Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, DennisTheBear said: Wow! The collective knows all! Thanks for the offer John but I think that it is a little far to send anything all the way to northern Australia. I'll be able to find something on the wonderful land of the interweb. DennisTheBear Dennis It wouldn't be any trouble to post you a photocopy , so drop me a PM if you can't get fixed up online . Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 T-21 beat me to it re the Kookaburra title - here is an example, I think it's the initial edition, later ones had a b/w photo cover. No idea how accurate the drawings are, their look is very good (but so is that of their Boomerang drawings, which have been said to be all wrong). I guess it should be possible for you to find them in Oz via Abe or other channels. Otherwise, I second the 4+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 The reference to 'Jul73 Air Inter' would be to 'Air International' although I think in 73 it might have still be called 'Air Enthusiast' The magazine is still with us, although I have not looked at it for years. When I lived in Sheffield bought PSM News in the big newsagent there and I first meet Neil at a model come electrical shop called 'John Sylvesters' and was invited to the very active IPMS branch there was in Sheffield at the time. The Airfix Whirlwind was not a bad kit at all apart from the lack of any meaningful cockpit detail, built one about 83 and I have no idea what happened to it. It should make up into a nice model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Not sure when the monthly switched to AI, but it must have been around the time, when I was starting to walk... Wasn‘t Ron Firth a member here, Fluff75 or similar? He also was behind Hallam Vac, around the mid/late 80s. Nitpicking a bit, I think he was actually named Silvester, he had ads in the monthlies for some time. I have extremely fond feelings for that kit as it was my first self-bought, self-built aircraft kit. Slashed together in an afternoon with Faller PC-505. Painted later with my father‘s Authentics around the decals. I was proud, and it’s very likely a better rendition than Trumpeter‘s 48th kit. BTW, I should have the Kookaburra title so if you’re unable to find it, drop a line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisTheBear Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Thanks for the replies, info and offers everyone! Bit slow in answering just now as I'm learning a new job. On lunch now but will get on to this as soon as I have a proper break. DennisTheBear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Humm Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Yes, the late Ron Firth was Fluff75 on here. I've got most issues of PAM News, and Ron did give me permission to scan articles for some people on the ATF years ago, so it should be all right copyright-wise to do a scan of the article if you want it. It's only a page and a half, and most of that is a sketch page of the details to be added. I think Air Enthusiast became Air Enthusiast International in 1973 and then Air International from 1974, with Air Enthusiast revived as the quarterly sister magazine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewerjerry Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Hi just noticed the thread, any particular info you need just PM me your e mail and i will see what i can find in my manuals/notes/etc I am not a fan of the valiant wings book it sadly has quite a lot of errors, ( the most sadly amusing is that they use someones whiff/alt history idea as historical fact ) the kookaburra book is good as is the 4+ book cheers jerry Edited July 21, 2018 by brewerjerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDriskill Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) If you are into classic reference material to go with your classic kit, LOL, the “Boxart Den” site is worth a look! Here’s theDucimus “Camouflage and Markings” covering the Whirlwind: https://boxartden.com/reference/gallery/index.php/Modeling-References/Camoflage-Markings/11-Meteor-Whirlwind And of course, none of us of a “certain age” would begin any project without the Aircraft in Profile monograph: https://boxartden.com/reference/gallery/index.php/Modeling-References/Aircraft-Profiles/Britain/WW2/Westland-Whirlwind Edited July 21, 2018 by MDriskill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 From the October 1984 issue of PLANES. Chris 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocky05d Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Just come back from a week in Norfolk ,visited the Norwich aviation Museum ,there is a full size mock up of a Whirlwind cockpit ,i will post the photos i took if they will be useful to you . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck1945 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, cocky05d said: Just come back from a week in Norfolk ,visited the Norwich aviation Museum ,there is a full size mock up of a Whirlwind cockpit ,i will post the photos i took if they will be useful to you . Please do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctb1971 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I live nxt to westlands airfield... all helicopters now and odd private plane.. This aircraft is 1 of my favs . And had a Westland aircraft history book from my dad from westlands ,with a lot of history on it.. sadly none left ,if I remember they had a few their after war but were then scrapped.. don't know if there are any full mock ups about today ..but it's a damn shame so many great planes are lost ... Having built many whirlys and lysanders over my years...my late step grandfather has made many of classics in brass that site on my dad's fireplace ... I built the big matchbox lysanders for him in 80s for said brass sculpture , he bought me the kits to build so he could use as reference . 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, ctb1971 said: I live nxt to westlands airfield... all helicopters now and odd private plane.. This aircraft is 1 of my favs . And had a Westland aircraft history book from my dad from westlands ,with a lot of history on it.. sadly none left ,if I remember they had a few their after war but were then scrapped.. don't know if there are any full mock ups about today .. Project to make a replica http://whirlwindfighter.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisTheBear Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Wow, thanks a lot for all the replies, gentle BMers! I'm sorry for not replying sooner, the non-modelling world has caught me up (new job) and limited my time. But it seems my next modelling project is decided. Thanks to @rossm for the pdf material, extremeky useful to me. @dogsbody, the profile material will be very useful. @cocky05d, the photos would be brilliant, thanks! I'll start a WIP when I begin the project. Again, thanks to everyone for all the info! DennisTheBear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocky05d Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Hi ,haven't forgotten about the photos ,got other things on my mind ,my back is killing me at the moment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisTheBear Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Hi @cocky05d, wasn't giving you grief about it 😊, or urging speed, I was just catching up on this thread yesterday. Hope your back isn't too serious. DennisTheBear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocky05d Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Hi ,DB ,it is a bit better now ,thanks for asking . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 @dogsbody, it's amazing you always seem to have a Granger drawing up your sleeve for any given subject. Thanks a lot for that one, as it were his that ignited my admiration for beautiful drawings, back in 1987 or something. No idea if and how much research effort he put into them, but they always looked neat & impressive. And of course I had no idea he did the WHirlwind... BTW, this thread got me searching for the 4+ title, which I found at a very reasonable price at a German dealer I had heard about before but never looked into. Needless to say, he also stocks some other publications ranges (all at good prices), so some 180 € later I have a couple more 4+'s, Warpaints, Uncovereds and Under the Skin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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