st george Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-unveils-new-next-generation-fighter-jet-called-tempest/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 On time and on budget? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) First provide agreed requirements, and agreed schedule, and then don't change them. Of course this does call for an unchanging world situation, an unchanging (or even improving) economy, and an unchanging technology. Not to mention unchanging personnel in the Services, Ministries and Government. Simples. Edited July 16, 2018 by Graham Boak 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 5 minutes till someone says its ugly 10 till another says its worse looking than the F-35 and 15 Till someone says bring back the harrier/ Buccaneer/ Tornado/ Lightning (delete as applicable) It would be very good to see a UK project come to fruition but I wonder if realpolitik from the US and EU might try and kill it off as stillborn. Still it would be nice to read a headline that the Buccaneer/Lightning were no longer the last "all British" etc though I wonder if this is intended eventually as a collaborative project? How many would they build if it gets that far and what are the overseas sales prospects I wonder? 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, JohnT said: 5 minutes till someone says its ugly 10 till another says its worse looking than the F-35 and 15 Till someone says bring back the harrier/ Buccaneer/ Tornado/ Lightning (delete as applicable) It would be very good to see a UK project come to fruition but I wonder if realpolitik from the US and EU might try and kill it off as stillborn. Still it would be nice to read a headline that the Buccaneer/Lightning were no longer the last "all British" etc though I wonder if this is intended eventually as a collaborative project? How many would they build if it gets that far and what are the overseas sales prospects I wonder? Since Leonardo is part of the consortium, this is already not a fully British project anyway. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Well I'm excited, and I think it looks gorgeous, and I'm ready for the kit. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Coombs Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 So the YF-23 and the X-36 got together and had a baby. The air intakes on the actual plane would probably bear little resemblance to those of the mock-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nocoolname Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Seriously, if they're going to the effort of developing a craft fit for 2035 with directed energy weapons they should at least make it look like this: https://www.deviantart.com/unusualsuspex/art/Thunderfighter-ortho-429348391 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathasatail Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Oooohhh! Exciting times ahead if this comes to fruition, to my eyes it appears to be a cross-breed between the F-22 and the BAE Replica. 57 minutes ago, JohnT said: though I wonder if this is intended eventually as a collaborative project? How many would they build if it gets that far and what are the overseas sales prospects I wonder? I could be wrong, but I seem to recall talk of Sweden potentially getting involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) Choosing a name is the cheap bit. If the UK couldn't afford to go it alone in the days of a. MRCA and b. EFA (when we were spending a lot more on defence), I can't see this happening, much as I would like it to. Especially since the UK would not be a large enough market even for a launch customer (the UK Tornado order was 385, the original UK Typhoon order was 232 but has since been trimmed down, so would any future order from the gutted and emaciated RAF for the "Tempest" even stagger into triple figures? But I would feel a whole lot more positive about a collaborative project with the Swedes: despite a relatively small industrial base they have a very impressive record of designing excellent aircraft and bringing them to fruition with the minimum of fuss. Edited July 16, 2018 by Seahawk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Blimey this makes me feel old. This may enter service as I go out of service 😥 We have been excluded from the Franco-German next gen project (don’t know why?) but Airbus says we are heading in the right direction. Go figure. Anyway. The logical thing is to have a flying technology proof of concept prototype as in the EAP of the 80’s flying asap. So going by the name.....we have had Tornado, Typhoon and now Tempest. The next Hawker name is the (Sea) Hawk - done, Kestrel and Harrier (ditto). Wot’ll be the 2080 candidate? Trevor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 (Sea) Fury Trevor? Likewise on being in my dotage if lucky. Maybe nursey could wheel me round the static park. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Does anyone really think this will ever get built??? 😏 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44848294 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Well, they could always pitch it to the US as an F-22 replacement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 I like the design and from an American point of view I hope it gets built. Even better if the Swedish are involved as they do have a tendency to be efficient and precise. Thats interesting you're not included in the Franco-German next-gen project ? Could it be a snub because of Brexit ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 By 2035 this will look very old and outdated: if the Spitfire had been developed to the same schedule it would have been too late even for the Korean War! It's pure daftness but it should grab headlines, even if it doesn't look particularly inspiring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Electronics/avionics in particular seem to have a limited shelf life considering how fast the state of the art advances these days. At some point you have to freeze the design, but 18 months later obsolescence sets in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darby Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) What are the odds nine of them will end up being painted red? Edited July 16, 2018 by Darby 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Looks chinese to me. I suppose efta or whatever typhoon was called probably looked iffy but it here. So heres hoping guess we will find out in twenty years 😐 Just now, junglierating said: Looks chinese to me. I suppose efta or whatever typhoon was called probably looked iffy but its here. So heres hoping guess we will find out in twenty years 😐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Bunker Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Well I am 65 in November and with the MoD civil servants involved, I doubt I will live long enough to see the prototype fly, let alone it enter service. And I do intend to try and live to 100. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygif290368 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 I'm sure Clint Eastwood stole that from the Ruskies in the 80's 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 33 minutes ago, Darby said: nine of them will end up being painted red? Yes the Red Drones and...…………………………………………………. 9 blokes in a Container up the A1 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Graeme said: Does anyone really think this will ever get built??? 😏 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44848294 About the same time that Kermit Weeks in Florida gets his Tempest II in the air! (Besides, it's much prettier!) Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Anyone else thinks it looks like the Firefox? At least they have picked a decent name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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