ivand Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Paul J said: One thing about the main difference between the Airfix and Italeri kits ais the size of the cockpit transparencies ...Italeri one looking very big. Indeed! I also seem to remember seeing a review that demonstrated that there was some other serious problem with the Italeri RF-84F, something with the implantation of the wings or such, but for the life of me, I can't retrieve it... Never saw this mentioned anywhere else, either. Edited June 27, 2018 by ivand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivand Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I would also very much like a new F-84F in 1/72 (with a choice of short and long tails, of course). I do like the old Airfix kit (which is preferable over the Italeri one for a number of reasons), but it does show its age. I haven't managed to get my grubby little hands on a PJ-production one yet and it's not available for the moment. Also, it's a bit too expensive for the number of Thunderstreaks I'd like to make... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Wez said: Thanks for that summary Serge, oh well I'm familiar with the Italeri kit so we shall see what comes along. B.w. I found another review of the P-47N where the author says: "Sword vs Tamiya. Points over Ё. Since the forums constantly discuss the mistakes of certain drawings, introduced by authors, printing and scanning, I decided to compare them with the products of Tamiya (they also say not the ideal, but see paragraph 2, at the very beginning). After the presentation of some details to others, vague and vague suspicions have taken on concrete outlines - plagiarism is evident. Intentionally I do not specify where N, and where D. "We look, we participate, we empathize" ©" and what is most interesting, he gives a photo of the comparison of the details that you can see in the article: http://scalemodels.ru/articles/5076-obzor-Sword-1-72-P-47N-Thunderbolt---kitajjcy-iz-chekhii.html Also in this article http://scalemodels.ru/articles/9955-Sword-1-72-English-Electric-Lightning-T--Mk4.html on the built Sword 1/72 English Electric Lightning T. Mk4 of the author writes: "The model was clearly created with an eye on Lightning from Trump" (No policy! Just in conversation among Russian modelers, the name Trumpeter was reduced to Trump. ) There are http://scalemodels.ru/articles/730-sravnenie-1-72-F8F-Bearcat-ot-NOVO-FROG-i-Sword---rossomakhi-prezhde-i-teper.html suspicions that the source for Sword F8F Bearcat maybe was Monogram. It's all the opinions of not one person, it's all written by completely different modelers! As you see my pessimism in the question of the Sword, it is not unfounded. I'm just still in a state of prostration, when I bought Super Mystere from Airfix, then AZ Model made a remastered copy of it. Well, I maybe convert one model to two seat Super Mystere N and bought myself another from AZ model. And now Special Hobby is doing absolutely amazing its Super Mystere !!! In which a normal cockpit, good wheel bays and most importantly - there is an air intake !!! And what me do with Airfix & AZ model? I'm just worried that the story will be repeated with the F-84F. By the way, from F-84F Airfix with photoetced is possible to do normal models: https://www.dishmodels.ru/gshow.htm?p=1060 B.R. Serge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightningboy2000 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 10:46 PM, stevehnz said: So, my Italeri one & Daco decals may have just become redundant. Damn. Steve. Well if you don't want your Daco decals i'll have them! Fantastic news with this release. I thought it was a matter of time before they tackled these widely used jets. One other thing, hadn't Italeri planned to re-box their 1/72 Thunderflashes a couple of years ago and had new box art prepared? I vaguely remember a list of re-releases planned and seeing a picture of a new box cover. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 37 minutes ago, Lightningboy2000 said: Well if you don't want your Daco decals i'll have them! Now lets not rush into this. I think Aviationmegastore where I got mine from still has them for Belgian machines, which mine are, plus, I'll be keen to compare the kit markings with some of the rather colourful Daco schemes & see which way I'd go. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivand Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) Also, I'm pretty certain that the kit decals won't be as comprehensive as the Daco ones. Mind you, you can only get the ones for Belgian (R)F-84Fs in the 'Nato' camouflage scheme now. The ones for the NMF and 'Vietnam' schemes are out of stock. Edited June 28, 2018 by ivand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorth Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 One thing that jumps out at me is the discrepancy between the Luftwaffe machine on the box art and its representation on the list of decal options in the kit. On the box art, we see the right side of the aircraft with what is clearly the badge of the italian air force's 6 Stormo on its tail, while on the decal options, we see the left side of the same aircraft with the correct Luftwaffe 51 "Immelman" squadron badge on the tail. Are they representing a real aircraft that was "zapped" on one side of the tail, or is it really faulty research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 6 hours ago, ivand said: Also, I'm pretty certain that the kit decals won't be as comprehensive as the Daco ones. Mind you, you can only get the ones for Belgian (R)F-84Fs in the 'Nato' camouflage scheme now. The ones for the NMF and 'Vietnam' schemes are out of stock. Let's face it, the DG/DSG/PRU Blue NATO scheme is by far the most attractive. So no worries there! 4 hours ago, upnorth said: One thing that jumps out at me is the discrepancy between the Luftwaffe machine on the box art and its representation on the list of decal options in the kit. On the box art, we see the right side of the aircraft with what is clearly the badge of the italian air force's 6 Stormo on its tail, while on the decal options, we see the left side of the same aircraft with the correct Luftwaffe 51 "Immelman" squadron badge on the tail. Are they representing a real aircraft that was "zapped" on one side of the tail, or is it really faulty research? It will be interesting to see what the final box art is like and if it does come with the Italian zap I'd like to see the evidence for it. Or it could simply be the artist changed the scheme part way through but never got the chance to finish the job? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene K Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, Sabrejet said: Well the Sword FJ-2, 3 and 3M kits ... all are very good indeed. Well, good, yes, ... but not "very" good. I was somewhat disappointed, specifically with the fat trailing edges on some wings, the speed brakes, and the misplaced cannon ports, the fix for all of that you so thoroughly detailed here (thanks for all the valuable posts you always make!). But to your point, I'm also looking forward to these kits, one reason being I can keep my beautiful PJ Productions in the box. Gene K Edited June 28, 2018 by Gene K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Gene K said: Well, good, yes, ... but not "very" good. I was somewhat disappointed, specifically with the fat trailing edges on some wings, the speed brakes, and the misplaced cannon ports, the fix for all of that you so thoroughly detailed here (thanks for all the valuable posts you always make!). But to your point, I'm also looking forward to these kits, one reason being I can keep my beautiful PJ Productions in the box. Gene K OK agreed - probably being a bit over-generous! But still, I enjoyed building the kit very much and have two more in the wings, waiting for some certain decals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjuro Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 10 hours ago, upnorth said: One thing that jumps out at me is the discrepancy between the Luftwaffe machine on the box art and its representation on the list of decal options in the kit. On the box art, we see the right side of the aircraft with what is clearly the badge of the italian air force's 6 Stormo on its tail, while on the decal options, we see the left side of the same aircraft with the correct Luftwaffe 51 "Immelman" squadron badge on the tail. Are they representing a real aircraft that was "zapped" on one side of the tail, or is it really faulty research? That's not the 6th Stormo badge on the tail, it is the marking of WaSLw 50 (Waffenschule der Luftwaffe / airforce weapons school). It was used by the newly formed AG-51 for a very short period before changing to the better known 'owl'. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:COA_WaSLw_50_b1964.svg http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/61/pics/45_3.jpg https://airforcecollectables.com/Italian-Patch-Air-Force-Aeronautica-Militare-AM-Stormo-6-F-104-1P-06IT-1IAF-02STO-1OP-0006ST-01.htm So, good research by Sword! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivand Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 There is also a discrepancy in the colours of the drop tanks between the boxart and the other artwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivand Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 23 hours ago, Lightningboy2000 said: One other thing, hadn't Italeri planned to re-box their 1/72 Thunderflashes a couple of years ago and had new box art prepared? I vaguely remember a list of re-releases planned and seeing a picture of a new box cover. Martin I seem to remember that too. Still, the last reissue seems to date from 2002: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/148566-italeri-1108-rf-84f-thunderflash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 From the provided artwork, the Norwegian markings do not look very accurate. There is an alternative though, from Vingtor Decals (... yes, I design and sell these myself ...). The stock is however becoming rather low. Nils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 14 hours ago, Sanjuro said: That's not the 6th Stormo badge on the tail, it is the marking of WaSLw 50 (Waffenschule der Luftwaffe / airforce weapons school). It was used by the newly formed AG-51 for a very short period before changing to the better known 'owl'. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:COA_WaSLw_50_b1964.svg http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/61/pics/45_3.jpg https://airforcecollectables.com/Italian-Patch-Air-Force-Aeronautica-Militare-AM-Stormo-6-F-104-1P-06IT-1IAF-02STO-1OP-0006ST-01.htm So, good research by Sword! And it's a style of markings that I've wanted to do for ages, hope Sword include these in the final box ! Overall I'm very happy that we're finally going to have a new 1/72 Thunderflash in the shops. I'd have of course preferred a more "mainstream" product, with a Thunderstreak on the side, but for the moment I'll get one of these. As for Sword using other companies kits for "inspiration"... well, this habit is as old as the second model kit company and short run manufacturers have all done this to some extent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I just looked outside and it is in the high 20 degrees ... It can't be Christmas can it? Yes, it is!!! The best news since the Fury releases!!!!!!!!! I will hold off on the Norwegian Vingtor build now!!! Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Vingtor said: From the provided artwork, the Norwegian markings do not look very accurate. There is an alternative though, from Vingtor Decals (... yes, I design and sell these myself ...). The stock is however becoming rather low. Nils Hei Nils! I've had one of these sat in the file for a while, waiting..... Martin I hope it will have the correct nose profile. Those box art images look wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivand Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 14 hours ago, Sanjuro said: That's not the 6th Stormo badge on the tail, it is the marking of WaSLw 50 (Waffenschule der Luftwaffe / airforce weapons school). It was used by the newly formed AG-51 for a very short period before changing to the better known 'owl'. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:COA_WaSLw_50_b1964.svg http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/61/pics/45_3.jpg https://airforcecollectables.com/Italian-Patch-Air-Force-Aeronautica-Militare-AM-Stormo-6-F-104-1P-06IT-1IAF-02STO-1OP-0006ST-01.htm So, good research by Sword! Or, at least, they had a look at Modeldecal sheet 19... (which also states that the drop tanks are light blue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 3:22 PM, Robert said: That's another Cold War aircraft of the tick list and yes Wez a F-84F would be nice next, please. I guess I should have known that once I produce a F-84F, scribed etc, from the Airfix kit a new F-84 would come out! Hey ho!!!! . Great news, though!!!! Martin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I now have them on Back Order Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivand Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, RidgeRunner said: I guess I should have known that once I produce a F-84F, scribed etc, from the Airfix kit a new F-84 would come out! Hey ho!!!! . Great news, though!!!! Martin I have quite a handfull of Airfix F-84F in the stash but I must admit the prospect of scribing them seems a bit daunting to me, as the silver coloured plastic of the early releases is pretty hard and, I imagine, not easy to scribe. Did you have problems with yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 7:29 PM, Wez said: I for one would be very disappointed if this proved to be the case. Me too!!!!!! The Italeri is really not worth the bother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, ivand said: I have quite a handfull of Airfix F-84F in the stash but I must admit the prospect of scribing them seems a bit daunting to me, as the silver coloured plastic of the early releases is pretty hard and, I imagine, not easy to scribe. Did you have problems with yours? None really, mate. Just a lot of patience needed as always. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivand Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 That's superb! Gives me some courage to start and tackle one myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 27/06/2018 at 08:43, madcop said: I support SWORD models and I will definitely keep on buying these very abordable and nice kits .. I have to agree with that. Sword gets a very big from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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