Pete McGreevy Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Hi all, rekindling my youth of building airfix models, instead of trying to build it and then lash paint on with a roller, I'm trying to take a bit more time. However, after trying and failing miserably to get a nice finish on a red arrow with the gloss red, I read alot about them and I thought I'll try thinking the paint and using a flat brush. No dice. Has anyone pearls of wisdom firstly he get this paint off and secondly, how to get a much nicer finish with the yellow on this my seaking Apologies if this turns upside down. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sapperastro Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) Use matt or satin paint. Brushing gloss can be a real pain. And do thin the paint.Use gloss varnish over anything you want shiny at the end. Try looking for quick kits on youtube. His speed builds and other videos are gems for learning brush painting. Edited June 15, 2018 by sapperastro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 If they are acrylics* add Winsor & Newton 'Flow Improver' or/and 'Slow Drying Medium'. Both work the same; slowing the drying time, but the Flow Improver helps the paint flow eliminating brush strokes. I add the F.I. as a matter when ever I open a new pot of acrylic paint A 125 ml bottle of F.I. will cost about a fiver but you only add about 2ml to each 14ml paint pot * I guess they are as I see a Humbrol acrylic paint pot in your photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete McGreevy Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 thanks for that gents. Are there any suggestions for removing the current paint, or fixing it, ive read about letting it sit in various solutions, but inside is painted too so i dont want to undo that. Currently im set up with meths, a toothbrush and the world cup for tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 As the paint is fresh, [I presume it is] its still not fully hardened [as opposed to dry - not the same thing] I reckon; lots of clean kitchen paper towel, your meths and your old tooth brush should be capable of removing it. oh, and cotton buds are useful too Revell does a model friendly paint remover. B & Q does a plastic friendly paint remover as does Wilco [name?] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete McGreevy Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 fresh last night? is it a case of fingers crossed? also, is surgical spirit better/worse/same as meths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Surgical is just purer than meths. for your job meths will do rightly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete McGreevy Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) Cheers fella! Sorry for badly rotated pics. That was easier than I thought, took a while to scrap most of the crap off but once a skiff of primer went over the top it came out not too bad. question is, should I risk it all again and use the umbral yellow gloss 69 spray can, or go and get a matt yellow and potentially varnish it? If so, which umbral colour would be similar to the 69 in matt? Thanks! Edited June 15, 2018 by Pete McGreevy pics messed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 If you are now going to use a spray can of Humbrol 69; it'll cover best over a white primer or a matt yellow, or even an orange. It will take a lot of coats to cover grey primer. For a matt yellow primer in a spray can - Humbrol 24 Trainer Yellow. 'Mist' the coats on - that is; just a light spraying to get a wee bit of colour on, let that dry for a bit, that allows the carrier solvent to evaporate off - also known as 'flash off'. Then spray a second coat, a bit heavier, let dry and flash off, then a third coat. The third coat should be getting you some gloss, but you'll need a fourth and maybe even a fifth coat If you lay on the paint too thick at the start the solvent will attack the paint job and you'll have to scrub it all off again Warm the spray can by standing it a pot of very warm - nearly hot - water; that'll help mix the paint and keep the pressure up inside the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Noble Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Personally I'd use a dedicated model paint in a spray can such as Tamiya TS spray. Light coats will build up a nice finish and the gloss on those paints is really nice. Or use an acrylic car paint in a spray can in gloss. They cover much better than Humbrol yellow. Oh, as already mentioned use a white primer as the base not grey. Yellow paint is renowned as being a poor hider/coverer, so a dark grey primer will be a devil to cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete McGreevy Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 Thanks for the help so far all. I had a can of humbrol 69 already so I tried that just to see. Im not pro, as the pic shows, but at least its a solid colour. I found it very thick going on, and I really...really want an airbrush for this kind of thing. Hopefully when the mask comes off the windows it'll look ok, and slightly better with decals 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, Pete McGreevy said: Thanks for the help so far all. I had a can of humbrol 69 already so I tried that just to see. Im not pro, as the pic shows, but at least its a solid colour. I found it very thick going on, and I really...really want an airbrush for this kind of thing. Hopefully when the mask comes off the windows it'll look ok, and slightly better with decals Hi Pete - Airbrushes are certainly great - but red and yellow paints are still a beggar to get on. They need several light coats to build up any opacity - it is the nature of the colours themselves I believe. Loving your Sea King though - persevere and you will get there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete McGreevy Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) Well folks, i kind of got by the way side with this build, i think the yellow paint kind of depresed my a bit when i was putting so much effort into taking my time wiht this one. still a few things that didnt go to plan but its all in the practice., and i have ordered an airbrush kit, cheapy but itll do to start, and paint camo. Finally pulled my finger out and decalled it up and painted a few of the remaining bits that needed painted. Edited September 10, 2018 by Pete McGreevy 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 I quite like the current Humbrol acrylic sprays. In my experience you need to shake them until your arm feels like it will fall off to get the paint nice and liquid - then shake it some more. If the paint is going on to the model too thick, then you're spraying too close. Back the can off a couple of inches. Humbrol have a couple of videos on using their aerosol primer and Metal Cote but the basics are the same: Adam Savage's Tested YouTube channel also has some good videos. He and other contributors use spray cans extensively in their work. This is a sample: HTH John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sapperastro Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Warm the spray can in water first. Put it in a tub of quite warm water (not boiling) with something on top to hold the can down. just make sure the can is submerged to about the halfway mark. leave it in there for 10 minutes. This helps break down the paint blobs in the can and make them easier to mix when shaking. Take it out, wipe it down so it doesn't rust, then shake it vigorously. the rest is covered in the videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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